NBA 2011/2012

Obrisan korisnik
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08. studenog 2011. u 22:56
1.12.2011. Boston Celtics - Miami Heat ... ne mogu zamislit idealniji početak dugoočekivane nikad bolesnije trke za prstenom.

Neka nam Bog pomogne.





Obrisan korisnik
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08. studenog 2011. u 23:01
aj nek igraci veceras pristanu i da pocne ta sezona. jer i ovak je sezona izgubila puno i ako nastavi se sezona vjerujem da ce biti jedna od najgorih uz 1999 kad je isto bio lockout i bila je sezona katastrofa...


PS: da jos sam zaboravio da kazem da mi fali isto zbog kladare, nema veceg uzitka se kladit na nba..
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09. studenog 2011. u 00:47
 NBA players reject owners' latest deal

Instead, the players said they will ask for another meeting with the owners before commissioner David Stern's Wednesday afternoon deadline.

Stern has said that if the players don't take the current deal by then, the league's next offer will be much worse.


The players insisted they will not be forced into taking a bad deal by an ultimatum.

''The players are saying that we understand their position, but unfortunately we're not intimidated by that,'' union executive director Billy Hunter said.

The union called the meeting after Stern issued his ultimatum early Sunday morning. Fisher said 43 players, including superstars Carmelo Anthony and Blake Griffin, attended the meeting and that 29 of the 30 teams were represented.

yey  ako će još ići decirtifitirat onda mogu otkazat i sljedeću sezonu skupa sa trenutnom jer će se vući po sudovima do bezdana.
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09. studenog 2011. u 01:21

20 Things We Won't Miss About the NBA

The standoff between NBA players and owners over a new collective bargaining agreement has lasted for more than four months now, forcing the league to postpone training camps, cancel all of preseason and nix all regular-season games through Nov. 30. And yet, there's still no deal in sight. So, while lamenting the shortened season and fearing a lost season entirely, we asked a number of SI.com writers to tell us what they'll miss the most about the NBA, and what they'll be glad to live without now that some games have been canceled. Here's what they had to say ...
 
1 The 2010-11 version of the Miami Heat
Jeffery A. Salter/SI
The advocacy here is not for reporters to stop covering the Heat, or even over-covering the team. The Heat are a big story, and will remain so, for all the reasons mentioned earlier. But last season was ridiculous. Daily updates in November? Hundreds of reporters for regular-season games? A "Heat Index"? Surely the novelty has worn off by now.

Here's to hoping the glossy mags have all done their cover stories, the books have been written and we can go back to relying upon Brian Windhorst and a handful of good beat writers for our information. Because, once that happens, we'll actually get better information. It's how the sports world works: The more media that descend upon a team, the more that team closes ranks and shuts the media out, and the harder it is for any given reporter to develop the trust that's required to break stories. -- Chris Ballard

2 Derek Fisher's flops
John W. McDonough/SI

Derek Fisher might be the most respected player in the NBA. Supportive of his teammates, respectful of his opponents, cooperative with the media -- Fisher is in many ways the model pro athlete. When I wrote stories about the Shaq-Kobe tensions when they were Laker teammates a decade ago, Fisher was the Laker I could count on for candid, insightful answers to delicate questions. On top of all that, Fisher is president of the players' union, which means he will surely have a great deal to do with finally resolving this lockout. In short, there is a lot to love about him -- and one thing to hate: his flopping.

When the lockout ends and the players come back to the courts, I can only hope that Fisher's infernal defensive flopping doesn't come with him. Too often, he plays D like a dead fish, falling to the ground when an opposing player even brushes him, trying to draw the charging call. The one positive of the lockout is that as long as it lasts, I won't have to roll my eyes when Fisher plays defense by propelling himself backward as if he's being sucked out of an open airplane door, when in fact he's hardly been touched.

So, D-Fish, once you've helped end the work stoppage, would you consider a flop stoppage? -- Phil Taylor

3 Sub-.500 playoff teams
John Biever/SI

One group staggers in almost every spring, usually from the Eastern Conference, most recently Indiana and before that Detroit, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Orlando and Milwaukee. Over the past six years, six sub-.500 teams have made the playoffs, and never have they advanced. Atlanta came close, winning three games in 2008, and Philadelphia took two the same season. But Detroit and Orlando were both swept, while Indiana and Milwaukee bowed out in five.

The first round is as competitive as ever, but a few undeserving entries further perception that the NBA's regular season doesn't really matter. Everybody makes the playoffs, the thinking goes. In Major League Baseball, a sub-.500 team has never qualified for the postseason. In the NFL, it happened last year with the Seattle Seahawks, and prompted discussion over whether the system should be changed.

The NBA model has recently favored the East, where records are substantially worse than the West. But the East has improved lately, and with the league's current depth of talent, eight teams from each conference should be able to climb over .500, adding even more appeal to the first round. -- Lee Jenkins

4 T-shirt cannons
Chris Szagola/CSM/Landov

Can we please have something new? I understand the goals of marketing and interacting with the crowd during timeouts and all the rest of it. I remember when the whole who-wants-a-T-shirt? thing was a new idea, so if the NBA was able to come up with that idea at that time then why can't it come up with something else now? Game after game, year after year, it's the same sideshow events: the dunking off the trampoline, little kids racing each other in some kind of gimmicky contest, T-shirt launching, and on and on and on.

I'm not saying to get rid of those things, because it's obvious that after all of these years fans still enjoy standing up and shouting for a free shirt. But isn't there a new approach that could involve the fans during timeouts while enabling the NBA to present a different point of view? (And no, I don't have any new ideas of my own, mainly because I unashamedly think it wouldn't be a bad thing to have some quiet time when people might actually talk with each other during a game.) -- Ian Thomsen

5 Donald Sterling
John W. McDonough/SI

He is the worst kind of sports owner: personally repulsive, professionally hopeless, in it for all the wrong reasons. He has been accused of housing discrimination, racist comments, hiring prostitutes despite being married, drafting Michael Olowokandi and being so cheap that when he puts a quarter in a parking meter he expects change.

NBA commissioner David Stern should have dropped the hammer on Sterling when he had a chance. The housing discrimination suit should have been beneath the league's standards. The NBA suspends players all the time for acts that embarrass the league. Shouldn't an owner be held to a higher standard?

Sterling's ownership was objectionable before Blake Griffin became a Clipper, but now it is downright depressing. Griffin is one of the most exciting players to enter the league in the last 30 years. Why is Griffin's career in the hands of this clueless, money-grubbing, racist lowlife? Don't Clippers fans deserve better? Doesn't the NBA deserve better? Hello? Is anybody listening? -- Michael Rosenberg

6 David Kahn
AP

Maybe Kahn's a genius. Maybe his newest hire, Rick Adelman, will mold a Kevin Love-Ricky Rubio-Derrick Williams core into a legitimate contender. Until that happens, however, Kahn's two-year tenure as the Timberwolves' president has to be considered a total failure. He selected three point guards -- Rubio, Jonny Flynn and Ty Lawson, the last of whom was traded to Denver -- in the first round of the 2009 draft. He gave Luke Ridnour and Ramon Sessions four-year, $16 million deals and signed Darko Milicic to a four-year, $20 million deal when no one else was interested in him. Granted, Kevin McHale didn't leave Kahn with much when he was fired in 2009, but Kahn has done little to offer hope for the future.

How has he kept his job? Only Glen Taylor knows. While proven executives like Mark Warkentien, Kevin Pritchard and Jeff Bower have been let go over the last two years, Kahn remains employed. Taylor's history suggests that he doesn't like change -- McHale, whose teams won made it out of the first round once and who cost the Wolves three first-round picks and $3.5 million as a result of the Joe Smith debacle, held the top job for 13-plus years -- but unless the Love-Rubio-Williams trio shows significant promise, Taylor has to show Kahn the door. -- Chris Mannix

7 Wearing road jerseys at home
John Biever/SI
I'm not a blind traditionalist. I've learned to tune out those god-awful songs they play during games, I don't mind special holiday jerseys and I'd embrace almost any technological innovation that would improve officiating and fairness. Heck, toss some sponsor names on jerseys and I'd probably get used to it in a week. But there is something disorienting, random and desperately commercial (on a very small scale) about home teams deciding willy-nilly to wear their dark jerseys on a Wednesday night.

Home teams wear light colors in the NBA. This isn't difficult. If you want to have two light-colored home jerseys, like the Lakers do with separate yellow and white duds, fine. But let's keep this simple. -- Zach Lowe

8 Talk that LeBron might be better than Jordan
AP

Maybe Scottie Pippen was trying to land a commentating job by going for the outlandish statement. Or maybe there was some suppressed Jordan jealousy all these years. Either way, enough with the talk that LeBron "may be the greatest player to ever play the game."

Pippen's late-May statement on ESPN Radio did have some qualifiers, but he should have known better than anyone not to stomp on those sacred hoops grounds. Lockout or not, there needs to be a permanent work stoppage placed on that argument. It's not just about championships, either. Sure, it'd be nice if we waited until LeBron had one-sixth of MJ's trophy total to raise that question, but it's made even worse because Air Jordan's legacy was largely built on the sort of postseason heroics that fourth-quarter-less James has struggled to pull off.

To be fair, Pippen probably said what he said because we were seeing something different for once. James had just destroyed Chicago on both ends in the Eastern Conference finals, and Pippen wasn't the only one wondering if he might have finally learned how to meet those moments. The NBA Finals against Dallas, of course, would show us a more familiar side. -- Sam Amick

9 Owners whining about economics affecting parity
AP

Of the few positives to come out of the lockout, the most satisfying may be the end of protecting poor management. From Sacramento to New Orleans, the cry of economic hardship has long been part of the business model. With a larger market and a better local broadcast contract, a host of middle- and small-market clubs argue they could dig deep into free agency for that missing piece. Plus, they could retain what star talent we have to attract better supporting players. Or so they say.

With owners looking for certainty of profit in the next labor deal, the end of the lockout should pour greater revenues into owners' pockets. And with more mid- and small-market teams than large, it's probably safe to assume the league will emerge with some move toward a greater distribution of assets -- be it talent or revenue. That will hopefully bring an end to excuses for front-office failures -- the busted draft picks and overpaid mid-level free agents. Market size may afford teams like the Knicks a cushion to absorb bad decisions, but it isn't an all-encompassing barrier. San Antonio, Oklahoma City and Utah all have shown that. Luck plays a part, but so, too, does smarts. Expansive scouting, prudent financial management and effective coaching go a lot longer than a fat checkbook in building a good organization. A new labor deal will make that clear to all. -- Paul Forrester

10 James Dolan and Isiah Thomas
Jason Szenes/EPA
Didn't this pass into the realm of farce long ago? Is there anyone in America who follows basketball who thinks canning Donnie Walsh (though Walsh insists he left on his own terms) and bringing back Isiah in some capacity -- any capacity -- was a good idea?

Unlike the Heat and the old Shaq-Kobe feud, this is the kind of melodrama that does nothing to enhance our enjoyment of the game. It's just sad and frustrating. Dolan's had his run as a meddling owner and we saw how that turned out.

Is it too much to ask that he just hand the reins to someone who knows what they're doing? -- Ballard

11 In-game interviews with coaches
Icon SMI

When the Lakers played Oklahoma City in the playoffs a couple of years ago, sideline reporter Craig Sager interviewed Los Angeles coach Phil Jackson before the fourth quarter of Game 3. He asked for Jackson's assessment of the Thunder's home crowd. Jackson just stared at Sager for several seconds before offering a one-word answer: "Noisy."

That, in a nutshell, is why in-game interviews with NBA coaches should be history once the lockout ends. They're about as uncomfortable as the dinner conversation on a bad date, and they rarely yield any information of value. The only thing they're good for is making me cringe. I just want them to end before poor Sager or Doris Burke asks a question that makes annoyed Spurs coach Gregg Popovich's head explode. I'm not sure what there is to be gained from pulling a coach away from his team at what is often a crucial point in the game in order to make him give a distracted couple of answers. It also seems unfair to make, say, Doc Rivers chat with a reporter while Tom Thibodeau gets to plot strategy with his players and assistants.

The lockout is affording the powers that be at the NBA's broadcast networks plenty of time to reassess the way they bring us the games. Here's hoping that extra time helps them realize it's a bad idea to start the fourth quarter with an exercise in awkwardness. -- Taylor

12 Free-agent speculation years in advance
AP

In 2008, NBA teams were already planning for the summer of 2010, and they had good reason. The list of free agents, headlined by LeBron, would change the landscape of the league. The summer of '10 was fantastic for Miami, not so much for everybody else, as fans in every other city became gripped by fear that their favorite players would also up and leave. Blake Griffin was halfway into his rookie season when the narrative changed from, "He can jump over a car!" to "He will be a free agent in 2014!"

It is impossible to predict where these players and teams will be in more than two years, what injuries they will suffer or reinforcements they will acquire. Every sport has free agency, but because the NBA is so star-driven, no other league is as consumed by the stars' plans. What they say in wedding toasts, and what they don't say in press conferences, is all parsed for greater meaning.

But stars can be mercurial, and while Carmelo really did want out of Denver, Kobe backed off his demands to leave Los Angeles. When a player is a year or so from free agency, start the countdown clock, but before that it can drive you crazy. -- Jenkins

13 Rookie-Sophomore Game during All-Star weekend
Pool

This might just be the worst game every year in the history of basketball. Look, I've gone back and watched the old black-and-white films of college teams in the 1930s and '40s that were shooting 25 percent from the field and tossing up all kinds of hopeless set shots and wild running hooks, and I can say those games weren't as bad as the rookie-sophomore game. At least those teams, as unskilled as they used to be, were trying to win.

This game does nothing but set back the NBA and lower the standards for young players, telling them they're stars before they really are and then encouraging them to behave like stars before they grasp the responsibilities. So they go out and try to mimic the real All-Stars by standing aside and letting opponents dunk while encouraging each other to do all of the wrong things. Why promote an exhibition that does so much harm and so little good for the league's image and its future? For the life of me I don't know why the NBA sabotages itself by perpetuating this junk. -- Thomsen

14 The NBA owning the Hornets
Greg Nelson/SI

Leagues should not own teams. It is an inherent conflict of interest, like a judge serving on his own jury. And the Hornets' situation is especially sticky. Oracle billionaire Larry Ellison (his company is called Oracle; I cannot confirm or deny that he is himself an oracle) offered $350 million for the team. According to various reports, the NBA bought the Hornets for $300 million. Now, of course, the league is claiming that it can't make any money, which makes you wonder why it was so interested in buying a team.

New Orleans has one of the league's brightest stars in Chris Paul. He can be a free agent next summer. Would the NBA authorize a trade-deadline deal to increase payroll and improve the team, thereby increasing the chances that New Orleans can keep Paul? Or would the league rather nix a deal, keep the Hornets down and have Paul sign with the New York Knicks next summer? If Paul makes a New York team into a true contender, wouldn't the league's $300 million investment be worth it? Hmmm.

If you are an NBA fan, that scenario has to make you suspicious. It makes people in the league suspicious, because the league is full of conspiracy theorists anyway, and this one is easy to believe. The NBA should never have gotten into this situation. And it can't get out of it soon enough. -- Rosenberg

15 James Harden's beard
John W. McDonough/SI

OK, so Harden's beard is popular. It has its own Facebook and Twitter pages and has helped the Thunder guard become a cult hero in Oklahoma City. And Harden has played pretty well with it, too. Last season he averaged 12.2 points (up from 9.9 his rookie season) and 2.2 assists per game, wheeling and dealing like a young Manu Ginobili. He will likely step into Oklahoma City's starting lineup next season and has all the makings of an All-Star.

But come on: The beard is getting unruly. What started as a little bit of scruff on draft night has turned into a long, shaggy mane that rivals that of Brian Wilson, Ricky Williams and Kimbo Slice. It's become a national punch line ("Scientists fear that Harden Beard's gravitational field may inadvertently disrupt the path of a stray meteor and bring it to OKC.") and hasn't landed him any Troy Polamalu-like endorsements. It was a good look for a while. Now it's time to go. -- Mannix

16 Oklahoma City's stagnant late-game offense
Greg Nelson/SI
The Thunder have to do better, and they almost certainly will, as Westbrook gets more experience as a true point guard, Durant finds ways around those pesky ball denials, Serge Ibaka becomes a more consistent offensive threat and Harden gets so good that Westbrook has to share late-game ball-handling duties. Even putting aside coaching stuff, this team is just going to be too good to have Westbrook dribble around for 20 seconds and chuck up a contested jumper without passing even once. More of just about anything in the playbook will help, too -- more pick-and-rolls, more off-ball movement, more second options and counters to those counters.

This team is ready for more, and they'll need it to take the next step. -- Lowe

17 Offensive goaltending
Brian Blanco/EPA/Landov

We should be having a conversation about the rim itself. Go for 10 1/2 feet, maybe 11, but get it up a bit as a formalized way of leveling the playing field in this modern era in which dunking has become so passé. But since that won't be happening anytime soon, mainly because it would be deemed sacrilege, this is a decent alternative.

Allowing the ball to remain in play after it touches the rim would be a way to feature the athleticism that is in such spectacular abundance in the league today. Players like LeBron and Dwight Howard would add another wrinkle to their defensive repertoires, consistently batting the ball away as it rolled around the cup. The offensive upgrade would be an aerial delight, with the league's legion of high-flyers finishing with an emphatic slam on the offensive end.

It's a rule change that is already in place in FIBA and the NBA's D-League, which leads plenty of folks to wonder if it is, in fact, coming to the NBA sometime soon. Here's to hoping it is. -- Amick

18 The barrage of the senses in arenas
Jerome Miron/US Presswire

Allow us a moment to shoo the dance teams off the court and mute the sound effects. We need some peace. With the nonstop assault on the senses found in NBA arenas, it's clear no team feels the game is enough. Players are introduced to streams of fire. Defensive sets are deployed with pleas from the PA announcer to clap in rhythm. And timeouts are called so shirts can be air-cannoned into the third deck. The game sometimes feels as if it is just another distraction in a series of them.

High ticket prices bring a crowd that isn't necessarily courted for its basketball IQ, so turning a game into an event is good business to an extent. But there are moments when a soundtrack isn't needed. Give fans the space to think about who set the pick that freed up Dirk Nowitzki for a jumper and you just might get a fan who'll still come when a team struggles. Allow the buzz of a late, tied game to build suspense rather than some player yelling in a video for more noise and you'll get a crowd that identifies with a team, and doesn't just watch it. After years of watching teams try to pump life into fans with the same stale mix of Billy Idol tunes, could silence really be that worse of a sell?. -- Forrester

19 Mark Cuban, too good for conventional media
Greg Nelson/SI

When the NBA resumes, I hope that Cuban divests himself of the notion that representatives from websites should not enter his hallowed Mavericks' locker room.

"I'm not sure I have a need for beat writers from ESPN.com, Yahoo! or any website for that matter to ever be in our locker room before or after a game," Cuban wrote on his blog with a nose-in-the-air hauteur. He fears the "paparazzi" aspect of what used to be labeled as alternative media and theorizes that website writers are generally too negative and too nosy.

"All press is not good press for a sports team," wrote Cuban.

No kidding. Nor is it supposed to be.

Beyond the fact that issues of locker room access are not within an owner's province -- I assume they belong to the NBA -- Cuban is just going to have to suck it up and realize that we're in a new journalistic world. Not necessarily better (and I assume we're in agreement on that point) but different. That should be easy for a man who made his many millions by coming up with new ideas while tweaking the establishment. These days? He sounds like the codger who sits on the porch and waits to chase the neighborhood kids off his lawn. -- Jack McCallum

20 Rampant third-personism
Tannen Maury/EPA/Landov

It never much bothered me when old-school NBA guys used the third person. Moses Malone actually did the listener a favor, with each "Moses" he uttered, by supplying a verbal grapple hook in an otherwise mumbling stream. I could even put up with George Gervin going second-order third person -- that's when a guy refers to himself by his nickname -- because The Iceman was so entertaining. Who can forget Bartlett's-worthy lines like, "Jesus Christ forgave. Why not Ice?"

But usage of the third person today is all about excessive self-regard. The problem extends beyond Glen Davis' letting us know that he just wants "to make sure I'm Glen Davis, whatever I do," or J. J. Hickson's assuring us that "The Kings got a great player in J. J. Hickson." JaVale McGee, using his nickname Pierre, actually tweets in the second-order third person. And LeBron has so marinated himself in the third person that he inhabits a kind of self-branded world, to judge by such specimens as "A LeBron James team is never desperate," and "I'm back to playing LeBron James basketball."

Guys, please spend the lockout honing your mastery of the first person, or the second person, or even the Chuck Person. And leave your proper noun to us, OK? -- Wolff

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Obrisan korisnik
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09. studenog 2011. u 06:54
Nekako mi vuce da ce se sutra sastati i kao jos malo pregovarati (da igraci spase obraz), ali da ce igraci popustiti i da ce sezona poceti. Ipak bi igraci puno vise izgubili ne odigravanjem. Doduse i vlasnici bi izgubili, ali vlasnicu u principu imaju jos poslova osim NBA klubova i nece propasti. S druge strani NBA igraci osim kosarke nista ne znaju. Takodjer nisu bas poznati po racionalnom raspolaganju novcem, tako da im okazivanje sezone sigurno ne djeluje privlavcno (pogtovo onima koji nemaju bas tako velike ugovore ili nisu stigli zaraditi). Uostalom ubrzo cemo vidjeti.
U principu me ne bi bilo briga, ali ovu sezonu imam priliku pratiti NBA uzivo, pa bi bilo bez veze da bas ova proadne :)
Obrisan korisnik
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09. studenog 2011. u 09:23
Ja baš mislim da će Lockout utjecat pozitivno na sezonu koja će biti izrazito nepredviljdiva. Manje utakmica = manje naporan regularni dio sezone, što svakako odgovara veteranskim ekipama poput Celticsa, igrači gladni košarke, neki bogatiji za europsko iskustvo, puno veći zanos kod javnosti, navijača i svih.

I ne bih se složio da je prošla lockout sezona bila loša. Sjeti se da su Knicksi s 8. pozicije istoka došli do finala, a bio je to početak dinastije San Antonio Spursa.

U svakom slučaju ne treba žurit s prognozama. Pristali bi svi na bilo koji oblik sezone trenutno.
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09. studenog 2011. u 09:46
Vlasnici se malo previše ugledavaju na svoje NFL kolege umjesto da im dođe do pameti da su daleko od njihove situacije. NFL vlasnici mogu šta hoće jer igrači nemaju alternativu. NBA igrači imaju alternativu u Europi i nije baš pametno izigravat silu nad njima.
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Obrisan korisnik
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09. studenog 2011. u 09:49

Škripa parketa i udaranje lopte o izlizani pod Staples centra Mitchu Kuptchaku su toliko poznat zvuk da ih uopće ne primjećuje. Dok otvara vrata trening dvorane sjedokosi GM Lakersa se preznojava. Iza sebe ima tisuće pregovora, no svaki put kad razgovara s ovim čovjekom hvata ga trema. Kobe Bryant čak i ljudima koji ga poznaju izgleda nedodirljivo.

- Bok Kobe – pozdravlja Kuptchak dok Bryant uzima skok šut s krila – Otkad si ovdje?

Kobe prima loptu od dječaka pod košem, skače sebi u desno, diže se, lopta leti i prolazi kroz mrežicu bez da je dodirnula obruč. Tek tada se Bryant okreće Kuptchaku.

- Od pet ujutro – odgovara mu.

- Kobe, pa to su tri sata. Misliš da je pametno stavljati toliko opterećenja na tvoja nova koljena? – pita Kuptchak  nervozno.

Kobe staje u pokretu, okreće se prema GM-u Lakersa, sa čela mu se znoj cijedi u valovima.

- Mike – kaže sa onim svojim ciničnim smješkom – jesi li ti možda lani izgubio od onog jebenog Švabe? Ha? Jesi li ti dopustio da ti ga tip koji ima frizuru ko curica smjesti u pakšu, ha? Misliš da ću to opet dopustiti? Misliš da mi se sviđa kada me Mark Cuban na Twitteru kara u guzu? Ha? Misliš li, ha?! Slušaj me papčino, ako moram u ovoj smrdljivoj dvorani trenirati pet sati dnevno, ako moram crknuti da osvojim još jedan naslov, e pa trenirat ću, pizda mu strinina! – izgovara bijesni Bryant, okreće se na peti i pogađa skok šut iz okreta.

- Dobro, dobro, nemoj se ljutiti – priča Kuptchak pomirljivo dok se oslobađa iz svilenog stiska kravate – To je zapravo ono o čemu bi želio s tobom pričati.

Kuptchak pričeka, no ne dobije odgovora. Kobe i dalje šutira ne obazirući se na GM-a Lakersa. Zbunjen, Mike Kuptchak nastavi.

- Čuj, Kobe, što ti najviše želiš u životu, ha? Jesu li to novci ili je to naslov? Želiš stići Jordana, ne? Želiš taj šesti prsten! Ali Kobe, naša ekipa je ostarila, znaš. Budžet nam prelazi 91 milijun dolara. Nemamo prostora da osvježimo ekipu i…

- Trejdajte onog jebenog Andrewa. Tip se češće kvari od Yuga – odgovara Kobe šutirajući bez prestanka.

- Da, da, to je opcija, ali znaš i sam da je nemoguće naći pravog centra u ligi – kaže Kuptchak, stane i opet okrene tijek razgovora na svoj mlin – Znaš da ćemo po novim pravilima imati pravo izbrisati jedan ugovor sa rostera?

-Da, i?

Kuptchak proguta knedlu. Sabere se i nastavi, crven u licu.

- Kobe, tvoja koljena su otišla kvragu, želiš naslov ali ne možeš sam, to smo vidjeli i lani. Svi znamo da si star, čak i ti, zato i toliko treniraš. Imaš možda još dvije ili tri sezone da dostigneš Jordana. Nakesao si se para, imaš sponzore, ne treba ti lova, trebaju ti naslovi. Čuj, znam da zvuči ružno, ali mi bi te amnestirali, izbrisali ovih 27 milijuna dolara godišnje i dali ti novi ugovor težak 15 milja, a ostatak spičkali na osnaživanje ekipe. Šta kažeš?

- Mike, da sam lošije volje sad bi te udavio zato jer želiš najboljem igraču lige smanjiti ugovor. Ali ovo što govoriš ima smisla. Ima, majku mu. 15 milja… – kaže Kobe, držeći loptu u rukama. Tada mu na um pada nova pomisao – Ček malo, koliko Španjolac zarađuje?

- Kobe, ne znam zašto je to bitno…

- Oooo, bitno je,  mali, bitno! Koliko Pau zarađuje?! – prodere se Bryant.

- Ovaj, eh, znaš, mislim da nekih 19 milijuna godišnje – odgovara Kuptchak dok mu ljutiti Kobe prilazi.

- PUŠI KURAC MAJK! ODI U PIZDU STRININU! JA SAM 20 PUTA VEĆI IGRAČ OD TOG JEBENOG GASOLA! NIJE DOVOLJNO ŠTO MORAM SLUŠAT KAKO NAM JE ON DONIO NASLOV PRIJE 2 GODINE IAKO SAM JA BIO MVP, NEGO BI SADA TREBAO IMATI MANJI UGOVOR OD NJEGA?! JESTE LI VI NORMALNI! PA UBIĆU VAS SVE!!!

Kuptchak napravi dva koraka nazad, a dječak pod košem zarije lice u dlanove. Niz nogu mu je curio žuti potočić straha.

- Riješite se onog debila Artesta, a mene pustite na miru – odgovora Kobe.

- On se sad zove Metta World Peace – odvraća Kuptchak.

- Ubiću vas obojicu – reče Kobe ispod glasa, okrene se licem prema košu i smjesti još jednu loptu u mrežicu.

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Jedina stvar koja bi mi falila da ne odigraju sezonu je NBA fantasy tu sa ekipom sa foruma.....
Ceterum censeo HNLem esse delendam
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20 Things We'll Miss About the NBA

The standoff between NBA players and owners over a new collective bargaining agreement has lasted for more than four months now, forcing the league to postpone training camps, cancel all of preseason and nix all regular-season games through Nov. 30. And yet, there's still no deal in sight. So, while lamenting the shortened season and fearing a lost season entirely, we asked a number of SI.com writers to tell us what they'll miss the most about the NBA, and what they'll be glad to live without now that some games have been canceled. Here's what they had to say ...
 
1 The 2011-12 version of the Miami Heat
AP

What a shame to waste this kind of villainy. How often can the whole country pull against one team and feel so good about it? It took the Yankees decades to build up this much animosity; the Heat did it in a matter of days.

And now, in Season 2, the Heat will be even more compelling. We have LeBron James' failure, Dwyane Wade's frustration, Chris Bosh's humanity and the specter of Riles. Most intriguing is how the team will adapt on the court. Will Erik Spoelstra finally install an offense? Will James finally develop a post-up game? Who will fill spots 4-12? Will we finally get a Kobe-LeBron Finals?

It would be a shame not to find out. -- Chris Ballard

2 Stan Van Gundy
AP

I don't want the NBA back unless Stan Van Gundy comes with it. Put a provision in the new CBA that guarantees him a lifetime job. It just wouldn't be as entertaining a league without the Orlando Magic coach. Van Gundy is both a visual and verbal treat with his delightfully pained expressions and his unflinching candor in interviews. It doesn't matter how well a game is going for Orlando -- if one of his players dribbles the ball off his foot or misses an open cutter with a pass, Van Gundy's face portrays instant agony. He cringes and winces as if someone is slowly driving an ice pick through the palm of his hand, or he sits down and massages his temples like a schoolteacher in a classroom full of third-graders on sugar rush. Van Gundy often looks as if some minor mistake on the court is causing him excruciating physical pain, and that's just fun to watch.

It's just as fun to hear him answer with honest opinions instead of the usual clichés coaches spout. This is Van Gundy on commissioner David Stern: "Like a lot of leaders we've seen in this world lately, he doesn't really tolerate other peoples' opinion or free speech or anything." And this is Van Gundy on the Miami Heat last season: "I do chuckle a bit when they sort of complain about the scrutiny they get. My suggestion would be if you don't want the scrutiny, you don't hold a championship celebration before you've even practiced together. It's hard to go out and invite that kind of crowd and celebration and attention, and then when things aren't going well, sort of bemoan the fact that you're getting that attention."

Agree or disagree, no one can accuse Van Gundy of being afraid to say what he thinks. Because coaches are forbidden to talk about the lockout while it's in effect, Van Gundy is essentially muzzled. That must cause him to sit at home with a doozy of a pained expression. I want to see it. -- Phil Taylor

3 Derrick Rose's crossover
AP
He stands at the top of the key, shoulders slumped and eyelids heavy, as if he might doze off for a few seconds. His head falls to one side. His mouthpiece spills out over his bottom lip. He looks exhausted and disengaged, more interested in nibbling the mouthpiece than dribbling the ball. Then, just as you start to wonder if this is truly the NBA MVP, the most transcendent driver in the league, the most captivating point guard in an era full of them, he sucks in his mouthpiece, rolls back his shoulders, and throws down one thunderous crossover, with the speed of Iverson but far more power.

The rest is for the highlight reels: the blinding first step, the headlong rush into the lane, the way he cradles the ball in the crook of his arm like a tailback, hurtles himself into three men at least six inches taller than he is, and contorts his body up, under and around each one. He was never the least bit tired or removed. It was all part of the Derrick Rose hustle, and as another layup rolls in over a wave of so-called shot-blockers, he doesn't change expression. He could not appear less impressed with what he just did. -- Lee Jenkins

4 The All-Star Game
AP
I won't miss the rest of All-Star weekend, but the All-Star Game itself remains a treasure. Like so many things, it is no longer what it used to be -- it's less competitive than it was in the 1980s for sure -- yet it brings the biggest stars together for one radiant evening. Their personalities come through in each other's company: Shaquille O'Neal was an entertainer in his day, while Kobe, as recently as last year, was a cutthroat winner, and all the other stars operate somewhere in between.

It would be a loss that could not be redeemed, because each year the mixture of stars changes based on their comparative roles within the NBA hierarchy, and as the All-Star Game plays itself out it provides a different perspective on that hierarchy while revealing who is really in charge of the asylum. Of all the singular non-playoff games or events that could be canceled, the loss of the All-Star Game would be noticed the most and create the most harm. -- Ian Thomsen

5 Continued rise of the Thunder and Bulls
AP

There are some things that are just better in the NBA than any other sport, and maybe the biggest is this: It is more fun to track the rise of teams from the crap pile to the championship stand. The Thunder and Bulls each used lottery luck (they snared Hall-of-Fame talents with top-two picks) and deft decision-making to become must-follow teams. Oklahoma City's Kevin Durant and Chicago's Derrick Rose may be the two most likeable young players in the league. They can win MVP awards, and Rose just did, but they will measure their careers by whether they won titles with their original teams. They are trying to will their teams to titles, and it is fascinating to see whether they pull it off.

Will the Thunder's Russell Westbrook develop from freak athlete and All-Star player into championship point guard? Can the Bulls find the slasher to go along with Rose, Joakim Noah, and Luol Deng, and lift Chicago past Miami? Or are these two teams destined to join the Mark Price/Brad Daugherty Cavs, Alonzo Mourning/Tim Hardaway Heat and Karl Malone/John Stockton Jazz as long-time contenders who couldn't finish the job? I don't have the answer. But the question is riveting. And that's why this is the best time to watch these teams. Greatness is thrilling. Teams reaching for greatness are even more compelling. -- Michael Rosenberg

6 The Dan Gilbert-LeBron James rivalry, continued
AP

This feud should continue to be spicy for oh, say, the next 10 years. Gilbert's stance on LeBron has not softened much since he called his former franchise player's defection to Miami a "cowardly betrayal" and accused James of quitting during the 2010 playoffs. James will be making regular trips to Cleveland over the next few years -- if the season starts on time, his next appearance will be Nov. 18 -- and Gilbert will likely be in his usual seat along the baseline, staring him down.

Miami-Cleveland isn't much of a rivalry -- one team went to the 2011 NBA Finals, while the other finished with the second-worst record in the league -- but the Cavs do have two talented prospects in top overall draft pick Kyrie Irving and Tristan Thompson, who give Gilbert some hope of becoming competitive. Interestingly, Gilbert is one of the owners pushing hard for a very owner-friendly new collective bargaining agreement. That's undoubtedly to help level the playing field for his small-market team. But one byproduct of that kind of deal is that it would be difficult for a capped-out team like Miami to add pieces to its roster. Take that, LeBron. -- Chris Mannix

7 The three most exciting new pick-and-roll combos
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It's strange to think that a pick-and-roll involving two of the three best all-around players in the league might be the least effective of these three super-exciting combinations, but that may end up the case, considering the similarity in skill sets between LeBron and Wade. Neither is an elite three-point shooter nor a post-up beast comfortable working from the block regardless of the matchup. Their ability to punish defenses who have the right personnel to simply switch this play is questionable, but the sheer ability here makes this something the Heat almost have to experiment with more next season.

There are no such overlap issues with Oklahoma City's Durant and Westbrook, poised to rank among the greatest point guard/small forward pick-and-roll combinations in modern league history. And with the improved handling and passing Clippers guard Eric Gordon showed last season, he and Blake Griffin should be able to slice up defenses from the left side for the next half-decade. Enjoy. -- Zach Lowe

8 Ray Allen's shooting
AP

Here's the funny part about wanting to see Ray Allen shoot: I've never enjoyed his once-in-a-generation form more than when I couldn't see it. On April 29, 2005, Seattle rolled into Sacramento with a 2-0 series lead in the first-round matchup. The Sonics had done it without the best Allen had to offer, as he had hit just 16 of 38 shots to that point (42.1 percent) while scoring a combined 54 points.

As he worked alone before Game 3 on the Arco Arena floor, I watched with amazement from a courtside seat as he made one of the hardest tasks in sports look so incredibly easy. The rhythm was unreal, the consistency uncanny, the shot that was on display from so many different spots a sight to see. And then the place went dark. Lights out. Confusion all around. Employees scrambling. Reporters chuckling. But what was that sound? Swish. Swish. Swish. Swish. Yep, the shooter had just kept firing. And hitting.

I couldn't see the rim from just outside the right wing, and Allen would later admit that he couldn't see it either. Until later, of course, when the lights came back on and he scored 33 points on 10-of-21 shooting in Seattle's only loss of the series. His 45 points in Game 4 and 30 in Game 5 would help the Sonics finish the job.

Yeah, I'd miss seeing that. -- Sam Amick

9 Marv Albert calling games
Kirby Lee/US PRESSWIRE

YES! One word, three letters. Is there an announcer in sports who is more associated with a catchphrase than Marv Albert is with "YES!"? (For the record, the "YES!" is made even better when Albert follows it up with "AND THE FOUL!")

Albert, however, isn't about catchphrases and gimmicks. He's about calling a basketball game as well as it can be called. And he's been doing that since 1967. What's most amazing about him is that, despite turning 70 this past June, he's still at the top of his game. He hasn't lost one mile off his fastball. In fact, he's so good that CBS just hired him to call NFL games this season. Think about that: In this day and age, when the only thing that matters is youth and the young demographic, Marv Albert is still getting jobs at age 70.

One of the reasons for that is because when you hear Albert's iconic voice, a game becomes an event. His call of the game is sort of like adding a third team to the contest. You watch for the two teams and for Marv. That's why I'll miss Marv Albert more than anything during this NBA lockout. It doesn't matter if it's a Pacers-Timberwolves game in January or a Celtics-Heat Eastern Conference Finals. You'll always get an A+ broadcast with Marv behind the mic. He's like that old friend you can always rely on, and he will be missed. -- Jimmy Traina

10 Talking about the NBA
AP

The NBA is a conversation. Training camp ushers in talk of possibilities. The first half of the season brings chatter about breakout performances and how Free Agent X has matured into an MVP candidate. All-Star weekend ramps up gossip of trades, while the dog days of the late season are saved by debates over playoff matchups. Legacies are argued over in the postseason before everyone weighs in come late June on what draft picks will become stars or busts. Even in the summer the NBA doesn't recede from our consciousness completely, or at least not before the prospect of free-agent shopping gets fans and teams giddy with hope.

That will all be gone if games are canceled. Who cares how Mike Brown will connect with Kobe if they're not even allowed to work together? The potential of the Thunder with a full season of Kendrick Perkins is pointless to consider until Durant has the chance to play for more than a Rucker League crowd. Without a season, we'll be left to ponder words like Basketball-Related Income. And is there any phrase more frustrating than "another round of bargaining talks are scheduled"?

The NBA is a conversation, and without it, most of us will be left speechless. -- Paul Forrester

11 Playoff upsets
AP

Crazy Zach Randolph floaters, a meniscus-free Brandon Roy hitting threes, graybeard Jason Kidd D-ing up Kobe -- last spring provided the most thrilling playoffs in ages. The clustering of talent on top teams may have watered-down the regular season, but it made the postseason more competitive (one reason why a 50-game slate wouldn't be the worst thing in the world).

When 21 of the 25 NBA All-Stars are in the playoffs, as happened last year, it means plenty of teams are stacked, which in turn leads to better series and -- when they occur -- more dramatic upsets. -- C.B.

12 Blake Griffin's dunks
Lucy Nicholson/Reuters

I'm a little bit of a dunk snob. I've been spoiled, because I can remember Dr. J throwing them down during his ABA days, as well as Michael Jordan and Dominique Wilkins in their primes. Everything since then has pretty much been just imitation, as far as I'm concerned. Don't even get me started on the contrived piece of business the All-Star Slam Dunk contest has become.

But Griffin brought me back to the dunk. His throwdowns are so sudden and vicious that I'm drawn to the TV when he plays. I'll even sit through commercials if I know that a Griffin slam is coming up next. His best dunks are the ones in which he does awful, awful things to some poor defender, like the one over 7-footer Timofey Mozgov, on which he elevated so high that Mozgov's face was below Griffin's waist. That one should be marked NSFW.

Griffin already missed his rookie year with a knee injury, depriving us of who knows how many memorable dunks. It would be almost criminal if he -- we -- were robbed of another season of his ferocity. Griffin needs to come back soon, or I'm going to forget how to love the dunk again. -- P.T.

13 J.J. Barea
David J. Phillip/Landov

A consistent gripe you hear about pro basketball -- as perennial as "games aren't decided 'til the last two minutes" and "they don't really try 'til the playoffs" -- comes from people who, in so many words, protest that they can't relate to the players. That's why last spring's emergence of the Mavericks' J. J. Barea could have been such a lasting boon to the league. He's Everyman. He's 6 feet, if that. He comes from a Caribbean island known primarily for producing shortstops. He scores with the kinds of dinks and spins and angles that you and I have tried playing Ping-Pong in the basement. And, eliminating Los Angeles from the playoffs, he so bamboozled the Lakers' burliest frontliners, Ron Artest and Andrew Bynum, that each, on separate occasions, wound up getting suspended for taking out their frustrations on him.

If Rajon Rondo plays the point like an option quarterback, Barea does so like a shortstop -- moving east-west as much as north-south; scuttling into the hole that is the lane; emerging suddenly to make a play where none seemed there. Regardless of where Barea plays during a lockout, I'll be surfing YouTube for highlight clips. -- Alexander Wolff

14 The trade deadline frenzy
AP

The social media news cycle has made the trading deadline more important than ever. Like the buildup to the annual NBA draft, it is a world unto itself, and in recent years many big deals have been made to send Carmelo Anthony to the Knicks, or to unite Kobe with Pau Gasol in transforming the Lakers as champions. It arrives in mid-February, shortly after All-Star weekend, when teams fully understand whether they have a chance to contend for the playoffs or the title, or whether they need to break up the roster in order to hasten a roster overhaul. The cottage industry of trade speculation makes the long NBA regular season manageable for a lot of fans who would lose interest if it weren't for the rumors, proposals and wish-lists that encircle the league.

If the owners and players are able to reach an agreement in time to save the season, then the 2012 deadline might be the most interesting of them all, because it will occur under an entirely new set of collectively bargained rules that management and agents will still be trying to understand. It's likely to be very difficult to predict the long-term ramifications of some trades while the experts are still trying to grasp the loopholes and penalties of the new CBA, and that will make this deadline even more contentious than normal. -- Thomsen

15 The Grizzlies' grit, grind
AP

The Grizzlies were on national television six times in the 2010-11 regular season despite one of the most dynamic frontcourts in the NBA, a promising point guard in Mike Conley and a delightfully unstable wing in Tony Allen, who famously described his team: "All heart, grit, grind."

America was introduced to the Grindhouse in the playoffs, when the Grizzlies upset top-seeded San Antonio and pushed Oklahoma City to seven games, with Allen diving over the scorer's table for loose balls, Zach Randolph dancing during timeouts, and Darrell Arthur catching ally-oops thrown three feet over his head. For the first time, Memphis witnessed the NBA at its best, crowding Fed Ex Forum as if John Calipari was back in town, and celebrating afterward with players at Beale St. blues bars.

Memphis has the smallest TV market in the NBA, but with Rudy Gay returning from shoulder surgery and Marc Gasol emerging as an elite center, the Grizzlies will be a sleeper pick in the Western Conference. They are even scheduled to grind on national TV a franchise-record 13 times. For their sake and ours, they should make those dates. -- Jenkins

16 Shaq behind the mic
AP

Can this really miss? TNT is known for letting its on-air talent shoot from the hip and Shaq has never been shy about voicing his opinion. He'll ruffle a few feathers along the way -- big men, specifically Dwight Howard, beware -- but the Shaq-Charles Barkley combination should provide plenty of laughs.

Comedy aside, Shaq has the potential to be an insightful analyst. He will stumble a little bit at first but remember, O'Neal played for six teams, 12 different head coaches and with hundreds of teammates over a 19-year career. Great players don't always make great analysts, but Shaq brings a lot to the table. -- Mannix

17 The last run of the Celtics
AP
You almost have to admire Wyc Grousbeck's reported willingness to sacrifice the 2011-12 season to wring more concessions from the players, because ditching the season means robbing the league's fiercest veteran group of one last go-round. Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett will be free agents next summer, and even if the Celtics convince each other to return on cheap one-year deals, there is no guarantee anymore that either guy will be productive past next season. The declines can be sharp and sudden when guys reach their mid- and late-30s. Even if this group is intact for longer than expected, the roles and minutes will shrink and new help will arrive. It will be different. This team has been fun to watch for four seasons, with the yapping, on-a-string defense and all that shooting around Rondo. Let's hope we get a fifth. -- Lowe
18 Monitoring Kobe Bryant's daily level of annoyance
AP

Don't get the wrong idea here. The notion that I'd enjoy seeing Kobe stare holes through Mike Brown after the latest loss or start calling Gasol the "White Swan" again isn't rooted in some lust for drama. But the interest can tend to wane during the course of an 82-game season, especially when it comes to the championship-or-bust Lakers.

They can't really prove anything until the playoffs, and we all know Kobe saves his best for last. Along the way, however, we could have been tracking his happiness level on a daily basis considering the changed landscape in L.A. You know, sort of like we did following the summer of 2007 (trade demand/Andrew Bynum found under the bus).

Phil Jackson is a tough act to follow for Brown, especially when the increasingly influential Jim Buss decided not to consult Bryant before hiring the former Cleveland coach. That's not to say Kobe isn't on board with Brown, as the word is the two of them are just fine. But transitions can be tricky with any star and a new coach, let alone the most ruthless player on the planet after he loses his favorite mentor. And that, whenever it actually takes place, will be interesting to watch. -- Amick

19 The development of future stars
AP

The game's superstars are easy to appreciate. LeBron's combination of explosiveness and vision. Kobe's tenacity. Dwight's power. All are traits seen in only few, traits that mark particular players no matter the uniform. But none arrive with iconic skills in place. There's a process of development. In that process, elite talents become more than stars; they become benchmarks to eras. The lockout could short-circuit NBA history, robbing not only a prime year of the ascendant James-Howard-Wade era, but delaying the growth of the next. How might Rose's loss in the East finals have spurred him to improve? Would Westbrook and Durant find a way for both to thrive and avoid a battle for team leadership? After a year learning the league, would John Wall find a way to better his teammates as much as himself? And will Kyrie Irving remind fans of Chris Paul or any number of good-but-not-great point guards?

The athletic life of a pro is short. Games missed are opportunities lost to watch a player change. Stardom is a fun destination but the journey -- the heartbreaks overcome, the 15-foot jump shot added over the summer -- is what makes players part of the NBA's ongoing saga. -- Forrester

20 The social consciousness of the Suns
AP

With so many athletes and teams content to retreat into their bubbles, the Phoenix Suns take bold, sometimes risky stands, individually and collectively. As an organization the Suns tick off more than the usual community-relations boxes, having donated $1.3 million to charity last year and sponsored a wheelchair team for more than two decades. As an individual, Grant Hill champions everything from childhood literacy and education, to the Special Olympics, to the campaign against inner-city food deserts, where defunded recreation programs and a lack of fresh produce compound the obesity epidemic. Meanwhile, is there a cause that Steve Nash hasn't embraced? He not only wears the Nike Trash Talk shoe, made from recycled materials, but he jawboned the company into introducing it.

The Suns go far beyond merely adopting the movement of the moment. They're out front, leading. They wore their Los Suns jerseys within days of Arizona's passage of its law targeting Hispanic immigrants. And Hill and teammate Jared Dudley didn't hesitate to play starring roles in the NBA's "Not cool!" spot urging kids not to toss off anti-gay slurs, a PSA that received heavy rotation during last spring's playoffs.

A silver lining to the lockout: Hill, Nash and all the Suns will have more time on their hands to make a difference. -- Wolff

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