Zar nije ugarska dala titulu Bana hrvatskim plemicima. Koliko znam, Hrvatska je osvojena 1102. jel tako?
Evo jos jedan deo teksta...

King

Tvrtko had, parallel with Prince Lazar, plans to rebuild the Serbian Realm. He fulfilled three key conditions to become the Serbian ruler:

• Tvrtko was the remaining heir of the sacronist House of Nemanjić
• Tvrtko's subjects were Serbs
• Tvrtko ruled numerous lands which were the demesne of the House of Nemanjić

Tvrtko crowned himself on 26 October 1377 as Stefan Tvrtko I by the mercy of God King of Serbs, Bosnia and the Seaside and the Western Lands. Today, some historians consider that he was crowned in Monastery of Mileševa, even there is no evidence of that ^[1]. Another possibility, supported by archaeological evidences, is that he was crowned in Mile near Visoko in the church which was built in time of Stephen II Kotromanić's reign, where he was also buried alongside his uncle Stjepan II.^[2][3] Stefan was the standard title of the rulers from the House of Nemanjić. In 1375–1377 Tvrtko created a unique genealogy that explicitly stated his descendency from the House of Nemanjić.

And Stefan the King, brother of Milutin the King, Uroš II, that held Srem, with his wife Katalina, daughter of the Hungarian King Ladislaus, birthed Urošica and Jelisaveta. And Jelisaveta had three sons: Stefan the Bosnian Ban, Ninoslav and Vladislav. And Vladislav had Tvrtko the Ban and Vuk.

dakle potice direktno iz loze Nemanjica.

hrvatska nije osvojena 1102.
mi smo svojevoljno usli u zajednicu sa magyarima...
nadalje, izvor iz wiki je cesto nepouzdan...

Majka Vladislava Kotromanića, Tvrtkovog oca je bila Jelisava koja potječe iz loze Nemanjića. To je ta veza.
Imaš i po Bosni Hrvatske kulturne domove sa imenom kralja Tvrtka, a čini mi se da je i Hrvatsko kulturno društvo Napredak iz Sarajeva nešto organiziralo u povodu Tvrtka.

A banska titula baš i nema neke veze sa Mađarima. Nastala je puuuno ranije.

heh, napisao si prvi deo kao da je neki pradeda jelisavetin od Nemnjica.
Mozes reci da Tvrtko potice iz loze nemanjica. jelisaveta jeste Nemanjic.

no, ne zelim ja da tvrdim da je Tvrtko sam bio Srbin po opredeljenju, niti znam kako se on osecao. Citao sam da je posle smrti Cara Urosa Nejakog, sina Cara Dusana Silnog pretendovao na srpski presto. Njegova titula i jeste bila Kralj Srba i Bosne.
No, Tvrtko pored silnih vladara, kraljeva, knezeva itd zauzima bas malo prostora u srpskoj istoriji. Zato toliko malo i znam(o) o njemu.
No, poceli smo pricu o tome da li je on bio Bogumil... I o istoriji Bosne pre Turaka.

In 680 Serbian leader, the Unknown Archont, (House of Višeslavić-Vlastimirović, House of Vojislavljević) dies. Serbs acknowledge supremacy of Byzantium and, at times, of Bulgaria. First Serb states emerge - Raška, Duklja, Bosnia, Pagania, Travunia and Zahumlje. Christianization policy begins.

Doduse, ovo je bilo pre 1500 godina.