NBA 2012-13

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04. srpnja 2012. u 21:56
Knickse nije briga za time što je Nash star ako će im pomoći da uzmu naslov. Takva organizacija i tržište je samo po sebi dovoljno privlačna za free agente tako da im nije toliko bitno što će dati u tradeu ako dobivaju igrača koji ih momentalno čini boljim

oni imaju iduće 3 godine carmela,chandlera i amarea oko kojih moraju okupiti ostatak ekipe da bi bili u stanju napasti titulu. Shumpert im to sigurno neće donijeti u iduće 3 godine, pogotovo ove jer je polomljen i vjerojatno će se vratiti tek u 2013.

Nash bi im donio mozak. A ostatak ekipe će skupiti, jedini je problem pozicija beka šutera. Za klupu je dovoljno ponuditi veteranski minimum Bibbyu,Grantu Hillu,Rashardu Lewisu i Camby i vjerujem da će bar trojica od njih takvu ponudu od Knicksa koji imaju Nasha,Carmela,Amarea i Chandlera i prihvatiti.

Za beka šutera mogu probati s Reddom ili McGradyem. Obojica su imali solidnu sezonu s obzirom na minutažu i ekipe u kojima su igrali
Obrisan korisnik
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04. srpnja 2012. u 22:29
evo što o mogućnosti howarda u netsima kaže john hollinger, jedan od vodećih američkih nba novinara

I hope Mirza Teletovic is good, because signing him basically precludes the possibility of the Brooklyn Nets ever getting Dwight Howard.

The Nets announced the latest in a flurry of offseason moves Tuesday, starting with a midlevel exception deal for the Bosnian forward, moving on to a sign-and-trade deal for the Clippers' Reggie Evans and capping it off with the news that Deron Williams will return, reportedly on a five-year deal worth nearly $100 million.

All this is heady stuff for a team that went 22-44 this past season, after already coming to terms with free-agent forward Gerald Wallace and engineering a huge trade for Hawks guard Joe Johnson.

The Nets also are talking about trading for Howard, or re-signing free-agent center Brook Lopez and re-upping power forward Kris Humphries, and by the way, they'd like to use their biannual exception to perhaps bring in Jason Kidd at backup point guard.

But there are rules about this stuff, and the Nets are in the process of colliding with them before they can achieve those final steps. The Teletovic deal is for the non-taxpayers' midlevel exception, which caps the Nets' salaries at $74,307,000 for 2012-13. They cannot go over by one cent at any point.

Put in Williams at $17,177,193, Wallace at $8.9 million, Evans at $1.6 million, Teletovic at $5 million, Johnson at $19,752, 645 and MarShon Brooks at $1,160,040, and the Nets are in a pickle before they even pick up a phone to call Orlando.

That's because they also have three unsigned free agents they would like to keep (Gerald Green, Humphries and Lopez), and the league puts a "cap hold" on the salaries of free agents to prevent teams from using chicanery to circumvent the cap. The hold for Humphries is $12 million, the hold for Lopez $7,692,458 and the hold for Green $854,389.

The league also adds a charge for empty roster spots, at the rock-bottom minimum of $473,604, figuring you eventually intend to fill them in order to field a team. Add three "holds" to get the Brooklyn roster to 12 players, and that's another $1,420,8162.

So right now, the Nets have $76,159,802 on the books, and they can't do that -- again, the most they're allowed is $74,307,000.

This isn't necessarily a problem -- if the combined salaries for Humphries, Lopez and Green are $18,694,045 or less, everything is peachy. Alternatively, they could let Humphries walk and just spend on the other two. As for Kidd, the Nets would need to carve out another $1.9 million below to bring him aboard.

But it gets really tricky when you try to make room for the $19,536,360 owed Howard. Even if the Nets use all three free agents in a trade for Howard and throw in Brooks, that takes $21,706,887 off their books. Add in Howard's money and three roster holds to get the Nets back to 12 players, and they're adding $20,957,172 back on.

In other words, it cuts only $749,715 from the Nets' books and leaves them a heart-rending $1,103,807 shy of pulling off a Howard trade.

Of course, all this is predicated on the figures that have been reported to date. Perhaps Williams opted to take less money to give the Nets a bit more wiggle room, but everybody is reporting that's not the case. Perhaps Teletovic's deal isn't for quite the full midlevel exception. Or perhaps the Evans deal won't go through.

But as things have been reported, the Nets are a few ducats short of pulling off any Howard trade, let alone a good Howard trade that might actually entice Orlando. Brooklyn can't take back any other contracts, not even a Chris Duhon- or Quentin Richardson-sized one. Because recently signed players can't be packaged in a trade for two months, the absolute best Brooklyn can offer is sign-and-trading its three free agents, Brooks and three first-round picks. And I greatly doubt that trumps the other offers that will be coming Orlando's way.

Even that sliver of hope goes out the window the second anybody signs Lopez to an offer sheet, which will preclude the Nets from sign-and-trading him to Orlando.

With Brooklyn also being capped out for the foreseeable future, it pretty much closes the door on Howard going there as a free agent in 2013, which was his other endgame.

In the end, though, the problem isn't with the extra $1.1 million; it's with the extra $20 million. When the Nets had a ton of cap room, it appeared they could appease the Magic by taking a bunch of bad contracts off their hands in a Howard trade. That ship now has sailed, and as a result, so has much of Orlando's incentive to trade with the Nets.

Even without Howard, a difficult dance remains for the Nets. Getting Humphries, Lopez and Green to all re-up for a combined $18.7 million will be difficult, and it might force the Nets to let Humphries walk. Getting them to re-up for just $16.8 million and reopen the biannual exception for Kidd will be virtually impossible, which is probably why Kidd now is looking at Dallas and New York. And I'm not sure what imaginary exception they plan on using to get Ersan Ilyasova.

After all that, the Nets will be filling the rest of the roster with training camp filler, offering only the rock-bottom minimum to second-round pick Tyshawn Taylor and two other roster players.

So like I said, I hope Teletovic is good. His numbers from Europe are nice, and it's possible he'll be replacing Humphries at power forward. Oh, and he's making it impossible to get Dwight Howard.

Obrisan korisnik
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04. srpnja 2012. u 23:20
Znači obrana se skupi oko howarda i onda mirza trpa trice :) .

Ovo oko NYK me zanima samo jedna stvar, kada je zadnji puta neka ekipa osvojila naslov bez dobre obrane.
Obrisan korisnik
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05. srpnja 2012. u 00:13
kistra je napisao/la:
pa dobro, ja sad ne kužim knickse
svaka čast Nashu, meni osobno najdražem igraču, stvarno već dugi niz godina me oduševljava
ali dat starom čovjeku (bez obzira što je dobar) koji nikad nije, a pogotovo mislim da neće sad u ovim godinama, bio neki obrambeni igrač 10M godišnje, kad mu igra može samo padat i u zamjenu poslat shumperta, koji bez obzira na ozljedu i neke očite nedostatke predstavlja defanzivnu silu, bar po onome što je ove godine pokazao i još neke stvari
i stvara se ekipa u kojoj imaju jednog igrača koji igra obranu i nekoliko njih koji igraju s loptom, a bez lopte su upola slabiji
mislim, shvaćam da je pick igra kanadskog genijalca i napravila superstara od amarea i da bi to mogao biti veliki plus, ali jebemu, i lin je mogao to odrađivat solidno, za manje pare i još prekonekoliko godina ispred sebe, a uz zdravog shumperta kao odličnog braniča i solidnog napadača mislim da bi zadržali i fieldsa za manje pare, jer ne bi ni bili konkurencija raptorsima...
raspisao sam se puno, ali ako se ovo sve ostvari, tko će knicksima igrati shooting guarda? s kojim novcem će popunit ostatak rostera? vjerujem da će bit igrača koji će doći contenderu za sitnu lovu, veterana dobrih, jeftinih amnestiranih igrača (recimo spomenuti rashard lewis...)...

ma možda i serem puno :D ali iskreno se nadam da znaju što rade, ali opet ne sluti na dobro
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U pravu si...al opet Knicksi ne zele cekati nego probati odmah, a za odmah im treba Nash a ne Shumpert, mislim sa Amareom, Chandlerom i Carmelom nemas sta cekati i gledati u buducnost, iduce 2 sezone ak ne osvoje naslov niti nece, bar ne sa ovim rosterom.

Ne sluti na dobro, nece ni sa Nashom osvojiti naslov, al eto to su Knicksi, opet su se zakopali sa igracima i nemaju sta napraviti nego ici na sve il nista

I ja sam nasrao sad, istina je vjerojatno negdje izmedu moje i tvoje price :D
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05. srpnja 2012. u 03:09
Nash u Lakersima, moj omiljeni igrač u najomraženijoj ekipi  
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05. srpnja 2012. u 08:06
The 38-year-old Nash, who spent the past eight seasons with the Suns, was a free agent but a sign-and-trade agreement was necessary for the Lakers to afford him. He agreed to a three-year, $27 million contract. In return, the Suns get four draft picks - first rounders in 2013 and 2015 and second rounders in 2013 and 2014. 
kistra
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05. srpnja 2012. u 09:28
Brkati Majstor je napisao/la:
Nash u Lakersima, moj omiljeni igrač u najomraženijoj ekipi  
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identično kao i meni, najdraži igrač kod najodurnije ekipe, a i on je posrao pomalo sam sebe
sam je izjavio kako bi mu bilo teško doći kod rivala takvih i onda ode...
i kad vidim šta su dobili od lakersa stvarno mi je pun K
4 picka, koji ne mogu biti bolji od 20.mjesta recimo u prvoj rundi, a druga dva su kraj druge runde
pa radije bi uzeo shumperta... i još, manje love će dobit
ako je istina da je zbog obitelji htio bit blizu, još bi to i shvatio, ali jadno, skroz jadno

što mislite što će sad knicksi? produživat fieldsa? za lina sam sad 99% siguran da ostaje, ali gdje vi to sve vidite?
"Bolje živjeti sto godina kao milijunaš, nego sedam dana u bijedi." Bob Rock :)
madmax17
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05. srpnja 2012. u 09:34
Što sam reko kako Lakersi trejdaju niti jednog igrača ne bi dali, ajde da su dali 4 picka prve runde ali samo 2 i druga 2 iz druge runde.
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riki_mo
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05. srpnja 2012. u 09:35


Degutantno je Nashu bilo što prigovarati. Odličan klub, dobre pare, za nekog njegovih godina ovo je idealno.

Čitajte http://generalposlijebitke.blogspot.com/BŽV!
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05. srpnja 2012. u 09:56




kako za koga.
[uredio madmax17 - 05. srpnja 2012. u 09:57]
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