Radicu makni se iz kosarke!

123
...
131415
...
434445
madmax17
madmax17
Većinski vlasnik Foruma
Pristupio: 28.04.2007.
Poruka: 28.249
14. rujna 2011. u 18:23
bajer je napisao/la:
Uvijek ću više cijeniti majstora koji zna popravljati bojler nego Popovića ili Bogdanovića.
Vidi cijeli citat
stvarno impresivno znanje. Inače 1000x je teže uspjeti u sportu nego završiti neki fakultet, da ne pričam koliko znanja treba da se popravi bojler, tečaj od 3 mjes. maksimalno.

Neko je zalutao na košarkašku temu, tu se divimo košarkašima a ne bojlerašima 

"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!" 🎸⚽🏀🎨
Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 20.06.2011.
Poruka: 2.480
14. rujna 2011. u 19:02
covijek je samo htio reci da se bojleras vise trudi
Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 21.04.2005.
Poruka: 12.275
14. rujna 2011. u 19:45

madmax17 je napisao/la:
bajer je napisao/la:
Uvijek ću više cijeniti majstora koji zna popravljati bojler nego Popovića ili Bogdanovića.
Vidi cijeli citat
stvarno impresivno znanje. Inače 1000x je teže uspjeti u sportu nego završiti neki fakultet, da ne pričam koliko znanja treba da se popravi bojler, tečaj od 3 mjes. maksimalno.



Neko je zalutao na košarkašku temu, tu se divimo košarkašima a ne bojlerašima 



Vidi cijeli citat




bojleras radi za minimalac + soma na ruke od jutra do navece

 na kraju napravi nesto korisno


mnogi kosarkasi dobivaju 150-200 tusuca eura godisnje jer neznaju vodit loptu


oni koji znaju nisu ispod 500 tisuca


a od nijednog od njih koristi osim ovih parola o promicanju "sportskog duha"



Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 21.05.2011.
Poruka: 930
16. rujna 2011. u 18:20
Radiću kralj si.Ostani!1
Dropshotski
Dropshotski
Dokazano ovisan
Pristupio: 04.09.2007.
Poruka: 12.063
16. rujna 2011. u 22:00
Deng je napisao/la:
Radiću kralj si.Ostani!1
Vidi cijeli citat


Radiću - odlogiraj se. Nitko ti više ne vjeruje.
Hrvatska košarka - Povratak u budućnost...
Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 21.04.2005.
Poruka: 12.275
17. rujna 2011. u 00:13
Dropshotski
Dropshotski
Dokazano ovisan
Pristupio: 04.09.2007.
Poruka: 12.063
17. rujna 2011. u 01:22
Vrhunski i STRAVIČNO istiniti i na mjestu tekst. Svaka čast, Flash što si ovo iskopao.

Velika PREPORUKA da se ovo pročita, proslijedi - možda i opet negdje objavi. Nužno je!
Hrvatska košarka - Povratak u budućnost...
Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 21.04.2005.
Poruka: 12.275
17. rujna 2011. u 18:57

sa jednog stranog foruma


nadam se da manje vise razumijete svi jer je predug tekst da ga prevodim


I've got a Spanish friend named Juanan Hinojo who

has written a book on Yugoslavian basketball (called Stolen Dreams) after

interviewing dozens of people in the process (travelling to Zagreb, Split,

Belgrade or Sarajevo, among other places). The book is extremely brilliant IMO,

focused on the Golden eighties generation, but digging also into the whole

Yugoslavian system and history. It is soon to be translated to Balkan languages,

and he has even created a website with interview cuts, basketball clips and some

other stuff (still only in Spanish, but will be translated as well in the near

future): http://www.baloncestoyugoslavo.com/



Anyway, the guy has

explained his opinion on Croatian basketball at the ACB Forum: http://foros.acb.com/viewtopic.php?f...777&start=1545



I

think it's a great read. I've done a quick translation and it might be a bit

rough, but I think it's very easy to understand.





"Croatia advocated,

with the independence, for a kind of denial to anything that reminded of

Yugoslavia. At all levels: social, cultural, political... In basketball, the

Yugoslav system at the time of the collapse was mostly Serbian. And in the new

Croatian basketball, the ideological leaders kind of purged looking for the

essence of a Croatian basketball that had spent many years without being "pure"

due to mixing with the influences brought by the various coaches that were

there: Maljkovic, Sakota, Djurovic, Ivkovic...



In these circumstances, it

seems very significant the different type of speeches between former players and

coaches who lived the Croatian era, from those who lived the Yugoslav-Serbian.

That is, those who played in the seventies (teams were directed by domestic

coaches) and those who played in the eighties, with the arrival of many Serbian

coaches.



Keep in mind that the symposium which brings together the 66

best coaches of Yugoslavia in Belgrade to unify criteria in all categories (I do

have the report made by Zeravica, Novosel and Boris Kristancic) happened in

1971. This has two readings. On the one hand, chronological: it still took some

years to see the consequences of these theoretical precepts reflected in senior

basketball. On the other hand, the context: this is the splendor period of

Nikolic's Ignis Varese, ergo, he's outside of the country and it's Zeravica's

and Novosel's decade of influence, and especially Novosel (Zeravica is a hybrid

in many ways, he demands discipline but leaves complete freedom in their

offensive players) had the opposite ideology of the Belgrade School commanded by

Nikolic's students that would eventually transform the Croatian basketball...

but in the next decade. The exception in the eighties would be limited to Cibona

Zagreb, the reservation of Mirko Novosel.



Thus, players and coaches of

that decade that I interviewed, as Djerdja, Skansi, Jerkov, or a representative

of Cibona's eighties exception Aza Petrovic, they defend a way to do and a very

different basketball to what prevailed in the former Yugoslavia. I emphasize "a

way to do" because we talk about training methods, strength, demands,

discipline, tactical depth... not only if a basketball is more offensive or

defensive. That people are totally oppossed to the last Yugoslav School. By

contrast, those brought up in contact with that school (Cvjeticanin, Radja,

Tabak...) believe that the Serbian school is better and many of its precepts

should be implemented.



But the rulers of the Federation have always been

the representatives of the classic Croatian trend with Novosel at the top at

first and Radic as president today. It is no coincidence the name of the first

coaches since the independence: Novosel, Aza Petrovic, Skansi, Djerdja. And that

preference when choosing the coaches is also extended to the junior level, both

in teams and in clubs.



Thus, youth Croatian basketball is full of

anarchic teams that work little, play five players for forty minutes, have

little joint planning and coordination... Add to the equation the presence of

agent groups with broad influence in the creation of rosters and NTs (although

that problem is common to the whole Balkans) and it results that it can not work

because it already fails from the very base. It's a structural problem, not

cyclical.



For now, the failure of the NT in this Eurobasket seems to have

led to a popular movement calling for Radic resignation. All former players from

the last batch that I asked were totally against the policy and ways of the

Croat federation. The change goes through a regeneration and the entry of new

ideas.



I do not want it to sound like the Serbian School is the panacea,

because it is not. The Serbian basketball is not that vastly superior, but the

image of the national team weighs heavily in the opinion. And Serbia has a good

NT, but the state of basketball is far from ideal. Beyond the 12-15 men's group

led by Ivkovic there's not much else. Another thing is that Serbia has a great

coach and that the NT in the end resembles a club (they've spent several summers

with the same core) making them play well and optimize the talent of each

player. Few teams are closer to maximize thier theoretical performing level than

the Serbian. But hey, that's another debate. What I mean is that the Serbian

basketball is not exemplary, but compared to Croatian it's almost a sporting

pipe dream.



I'd like to see Saric, Hezonja, Bogdanovic or Tomic in

another environment. Current and earlier. Because I do not think Serbia is

creating better prospects. What it does is burning and deforming them".

madmax17
madmax17
Većinski vlasnik Foruma
Pristupio: 28.04.2007.
Poruka: 28.249
17. rujna 2011. u 19:19
Pih, to nam Srbi govore već godinama da smo kita bez njihove škole 

Inače nije ni čudno da su Španjolci najbolji hakleri, ovo su detaljne košarkaške analize.
"Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!" 🎸⚽🏀🎨
Obrisan korisnik
Obrisan korisnik
Pristupio: 15.01.2005.
Poruka: 42.430
17. rujna 2011. u 20:44
Koliko vidim, i komsije su kita sa sve skolom kosarke.

Podgrijavate vec pomalo bajate mitove.
[uredio dimnjacar - 17. rujna 2011. u 20:45]
123
...
131415
...
434445
  • Najnovije
  • Najčitanije