2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup - USA (05.06. - 25.06.)

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15. lipnja 2011. u 07:55
Kako su se Ameri ispromasivali veceras.  Demspey je sam mogao dati pet golova.  Kanada u zadnjoj minuti primi gol protiv Paname i ispade.  Mogla bi cetvrtfinala biti zanimljiva. Jamaica je dobro izgledala, mozda i oni iznenade Amerikance.  

Saturday, June 18, New Meadowlands Stadium, New Jersey	
 Costa Rica v Honduras       (2100/1700)	
 Mexico v Guatemala          (0000/2000)	

Sunday, June 19, RFK Stadium, Washington D.C.	
 Jamaica v United States     (1900/1500)	
 Panama v El Salvador        (2200/1800)

“Kam hit this tight end SO HARD, I swear I saw that TE’s soul leave Qwest Field right on that 35 yard line.”
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16. lipnja 2011. u 03:15
Dobar text.  Moze se prenijeti na dosta repki, ukljucujuci i nasu zadnje dvije, tri godine.

Steven Cohen: Is this the best we can expect from the United State's men's team?


So the U.S. men’s national team has successfully navigated to the knockout phase of the 2011 CONCACAF Gold Cup and I suppose based on what we have seen from the team we should be happy and we should be relieved. What is it that they always like to say, ‘It is the mark of a great team that can win when not playing their best.’

Not sure about that.

There are two incidents from the previous two games that I think spotlight some of the real problems going on with the U.S.:

1) When Carols Bocanegra body checked a Panamanian in injury time with his team down 2-1 and in desperate need of a goal instead of going after the ball. That play led to a yellow card and allowed Panama to maintain possession, giving it a genuine excuse to waste time. And he is the captain. This displays such a lack of footballing intelligence that shouldn't be seen at this level.

2) The calamitous miss by Clint Dempsey last night against Guadeloupe as he had a gaping goal right in front of him and yet failed to score. I was left to consider what went wrong in that sequence for Clint and came out with a couple of conclusions. Either he does not have the confidence or skill to one-time the ball in the back of the net or he was showboating with a one-goal lead against Guadeloupe, a team that was inches away from taking an early lead.

Both of these examples I have made bring up staggering questions of the current state of the U.S. team. I talked about tactics earlier in the week but what I am discussing here is all mental, is all preparation and all attitude.

To be clear, the U.S. performance in Kansas City was an abomination. A country with a talent pool of 311 million people matched up against one with 405,000 could barely make a 1-0 lead stand up. The lack of courage, enthusiasm, heart, pride and just general Americanism was heartbreaking.

There are too many players on the team who are too casual, too blasé and have a general attitude that they are either Premier League players or starters on their club teams. They have that 'look at me, I am so cool' attitude that causes them to not get up to play teams like Canada, Panama and Guadeloupe.

The two teams that the U.S. has beaten did not make it through to the knockout stages of a competition where eight of 12 teams do. We should not be patting ourselves on the back quite so soon because the mighty Jamaica awaits, and based on what I have seen so far a Mexico versus U.S. final is far from being assured.

We don’t expect much anymore and the Americans certainly are not delivering much. This is the worst period for the U.S. team since the end of the 2006 World Cup and a far cry from the Confederations Cup in 2009, when the Americans did not start well but there was always a feeling they could do well. Now I just look and see eight or nine very lazy and unmotivated players.

Maybe it is not all their fault. Maybe the American media has something to do with it. Listening to the people on Fox Soccer Channel last night was nothing short of embarrassing and the clearest sign that we have allowed our standards for this teams to plummet occurred every time Kyle Martino gushed with pride when Tim Howard collected a routine cross and distributed the ball. “Great sequence from Timmie Howard,” he would say.

The slightest couple passes that make it to the intended destination are hailed as a sign of the progress of the U.S. program. We expect so little. The team knows it and in return delivers so little.

The discussion between the commentators and the studio folks about this game shows us why we are in dire straits. Our standards have dropped so far that we consider a 1-0 win over Guadeloupe a victory. “Well a win is a win” we heard after the game from player and pundit alike. Sorry, but no it is not.

The players are unmotivated, they do not seem to carry the same kind of pride to wear the shirt or they just think that this tournament is beneath them. Either way, it is time for major changes in personnel on the bench and on the pitch. Or this Gold Cup is going to end in tears.
“Kam hit this tight end SO HARD, I swear I saw that TE’s soul leave Qwest Field right on that 35 yard line.”
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19. lipnja 2011. u 01:01
Odlična utakmica Kostarika - Honduras, iako ju kvari neki Hondurašanin kojem je idol Busquets. Kostarika (Saborio) oko 70. minute promašila penal, Valladares je lipo obranija a sad u nadoknadi Kostarikanci spašavali sa crte. Inače, ne kužin trenera Hondurasa zbog čega drži Costlya na klupi.

Sad kreću produžeci, vamos Los Catrachos
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19. lipnja 2011. u 22:52
zao mi jamajke. igraju solidno, ali ameri ipak s boljim prilikama i uz pomoc suca naravno...

jermaine jones je americki srna ili busquets, uglavnom igrac zbog kojeg ti se povraca gledat nogomet ponekad...
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19. lipnja 2011. u 23:00
Caracalla je napisao/la:
zao mi jamajke. igraju solidno, ali ameri ipak s boljim prilikama i uz pomoc suca naravno...

jermaine jones je americki srna ili busquets, uglavnom igrac zbog kojeg ti se povraca gledat nogomet ponekad...
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Meni je cudno da je igrac Jamajke onako mirno izasao a nije bilo nikakvog kontakta.  Po njegovoj reakciji, mislio sam da je zasluzeni crveni dok nisam pogledao usporen snimak. 

“Kam hit this tight end SO HARD, I swear I saw that TE’s soul leave Qwest Field right on that 35 yard line.”
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19. lipnja 2011. u 23:17
Seattle je napisao/la:
Caracalla je napisao/la:
zao mi jamajke. igraju solidno, ali ameri ipak s boljim prilikama i uz pomoc suca naravno...

jermaine jones je americki srna ili busquets, uglavnom igrac zbog kojeg ti se povraca gledat nogomet ponekad...
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Meni je cudno da je igrac Jamajke onako mirno izasao a nije bilo nikakvog kontakta.  Po njegovoj reakciji, mislio sam da je zasluzeni crveni dok nisam pogledao usporen snimak. 

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pa i je, koji k..c je išao uklizivat kad je mogao s njime moga ići bok uz bok do šesnaesterca...
ma glavno da su ameri dobili...
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19. lipnja 2011. u 23:20
Zar netko i za ljigave amere navija???
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19. lipnja 2011. u 23:23
marijan 71 je napisao/la:
Zar netko i za ljigave amere navija???
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i šta ima u tome loše... 
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20. lipnja 2011. u 01:32
americka nogometna repka mi je jedna od rijetkih njihovih, a za koje mi je drago kad pobijede... pratio sam ih samo na raznim SP i nikad nisu bili bas losi (ajde, osim na prvom ´90), puno puta su odigrali i iznad ocekivanja... skupe legionare iz cijele Europe i oderi...

jedino mi se cini da MLS ipak dosta steka i da je razina te lige niska, jer vidim po rezultatima u srednjoamerickoj LjP da je to uglavnom lose... ocekivao bih da se mogu bar posteno potuc s meksickim klubovima, no vidim da ispadaju od kluba iz Portorika, Paname, Salvadora, Hondurasa...
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20. lipnja 2011. u 02:02
ian wright je napisao/la:
americka nogometna repka mi je jedna od rijetkih njihovih, a za koje mi je drago kad pobijede... pratio sam ih samo na raznim SP i nikad nisu bili bas losi (ajde, osim na prvom ´90), puno puta su odigrali i iznad ocekivanja... skupe legionare iz cijele Europe i oderi...

jedino mi se cini da MLS ipak dosta steka i da je razina te lige niska, jer vidim po rezultatima u srednjoamerickoj LjP da je to uglavnom lose... ocekivao bih da se mogu bar posteno potuc s meksickim klubovima, no vidim da ispadaju od kluba iz Portorika, Paname, Salvadora, Hondurasa...
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To si potpuno u pravu da kvaliteta nije na zavidnom nivou mada je znatno bolje recimo nego sto je bilo prije 10 godina ali ipak jos uvijek se dosta igra kao u Engleskoj u sedamdestim, samo visoke lopte, ludacko trcanje, ne previse taktike.  Po meni, tri stvari su lose za MSL.  Prvo, nema bas dobrih trenera kako u MLS tako i u mladjim konkurencijama da razviju igrace (ne znam, ako si primjetio da americki igraci igraju uvijek isto, skoro po nekom sablonu).  Drugo, dovode se igraci iz Evrope koji su nekad bili dobri igraci ali ova liga je pregruba i prebrza za bilo kog igraca petice koji je presao 30.  Doveli su bili ovde u Seattle Ljunberga i Nkufo i obojica su bili promasaj.  Ljunberg je bio dosta solidan prvu sezonu ali u drugoj je glumio zvijezdu i sam se svadjao sa sucima i protivnicima.  Treci problem su losi suci.  Ne da pomazu neki tim nego jednostavno nemaju znanja da vode tekmu.  Ili puste, pregrubu igru ili se razmasu kartonima bezveze. A stvarima kao pustanje prednosti i da ne pricam. 

Ovu srednjuamericku ligu timovi iz USA ili Mexica ne shvataju bas ozbiljno, uglavnom igraju s drugim sastavima dok se svi ovi iz manjih zemalja ovde bas napale na Amerikance.  Ove godine je Real Salt Lake igrao s prvim sastavom pa je dosao do finala.  Soundersi su igrali ove godine u grupnoj fazi i nijednu tekmu nisu odigrali s najboljim timom.  Zato su i zavrsili samo s jednom pobjedom. Gledao sam i te tekme kad su igrane ovde i kvaliteta je jos niza nego u MLS.  Mislim da ako bi igrali s prvim sastavom, prosli bi grupnu fazu bez problema ali ne mislim da bi imali neke vece sanse protiv meksickih timova.  Njihova liga je jos uvijek godinam ispred.   
“Kam hit this tight end SO HARD, I swear I saw that TE’s soul leave Qwest Field right on that 35 yard line.”
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