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Obrisan korisnik
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07. veljače 2011. u 17:05
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zašto ne O'Neilla?

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Igra mi igru koju ne želim baš vidit u Unitedu. Snaga mu je uvjerljivo prije tehničke kvalitete igrača. Da nebi sada ispalo da je United Barcelona, pa da to ne podržavam. Želim reć da u igri njegove ekipe nema neke inovativnosti, nema kreacije, nego je to uglavnom sprinnter na krilu i balvan u 16ercu.......

MOram priznat, radi fantastične transfere i lijepo uklapa djecu u sastav, ali nisam za nejga u Unitedu.

Iskreno, mislim da će to biti Moyes, jer sam ga već na jedno 5 utakmica vidio u društvu Phelana(Fergievog glavnog pomoćnika), a nekada bi sa njima bio i sam Alex.

miha1
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07. veljače 2011. u 17:10
Ja sam navijač Barcelone. Odnosno simpatizer.

Rezultati ipak stoje iza njega. A u Realu je pokazao i da se zna prilagoditi momčadi koju vodi pa tako s njima igra itekako napadački nogomet, a upravo su mu to najviše spočitavali.
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07. veljače 2011. u 17:56
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Mislim da Jozo neće nikud iz Reala dok ne uhvati naslov prvaka, mislim da mu je cilj uhvatiti naslov u svim najjačim ligama, ima Premiership i Serie A, fali mu Primera, a možda se uhvati i Bayerna/Bundeslige.

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...i onda nakon bayerna put rusije koja će za par godina izgurati francuze iz odabranog društva liga petice. taman da skupi još koji milijun pred penziju
Obrisan korisnik
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07. veljače 2011. u 18:05
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Anelki je mjesto pored Henrya

nekad davno je bio veliki talent.puno se od njega očekivalo.imao je dobrih utakmica i sjajnih poteza no njegova glava ga je koštala bolje igračke karijere i više uspjeha.no opet,svi ovi klubovi su davali masne pare za njega mislivši kako će baš kod njih proraditi no nisu se baš usrećili

već par sezona mi nije jasno kako neki klub koji lovi sve najbolje trofeje može imati takvog igrača u udarnoj postavi,al eto.čak je nešto i odigrao za čelski.no mislim kako je već odavno trebao završiti negdje u nekoj pripizdini
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ti ga isto znas bubnut epski.
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bitno da si ti najpametniji i čekaš da neko nešto 'bubne' i onda se raspišeš i kačiš sa svakim

nego di mu je mjesto?kao bolji je od Henrya?

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pa da ocito sam pametniji. vidim i kako si odgovorio na pitanje da si totalno obrnuo teze... cuj sad je pitanje jel anelka bolji od henrya?? s tim jos vise bubas...

pa naravno da nije, henry je svemirski brod za njega. stavit ih u istu recenicu i rec da im je mjesto jednom pokraj drugoga je uvreda za henrya. jesi ti gledao ikad henrya u top formi??

anelka dosad nije igrao duze od dvije sezone u nijednom klubu. henry ima 8 godina u arsenalu i 3 u barceloni. al ajde recimo da to nije neko mjerilo, pogledaj statistiku. henry je zabio vise golova u arsenalu nego anelka u karijeri...

mislim o cemu pricas?

gorc
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07. veljače 2011. u 18:07
pa šta sad ti obrćeš priču

pitam te šta je bilo pogrešno u tome što sam reko da je Anelki mjesto pored Henrya (znači u SAD-u tj toj ligi,ako nisi skonto na šta sam mislio)

nemoraš ti meni pričati ko je i što Henry.dobro ja to znam
...ništa ja nisam vidio,ja sammmmm pio vodu...
Obrisan korisnik
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07. veljače 2011. u 18:13
aha, dakle treba citat misli    mislim, ne znam sto ocekujes da se izvuce iz recenice "anelki je mjesto pored henrya" i onda krenes opisivat karijeru doticnoga? normalno da ce ti netko odgovorit...
gorc
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07. veljače 2011. u 18:15
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aha, dakle treba citat misli    mislim, ne znam sto ocekujes da se izvuce iz recenice "anelki je mjesto pored henrya" i onda krenes opisivat karijeru doticnoga? normalno da ce ti netko odgovorit...
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pa pročitaj još jednom taj moj post i zadnju rečenicu u njemu i mislim kako si mogao shvatit na osnovu toga šta sam mislio

znači ne mislim da mu je mjesto pored Henrya (što se karijera tiče) nego pored njega u klub gdje igra.a znam i da se pred kraj ovog prijelaznog roka netko od amera zanimao za njega i skoro je tamo otišao

nisam lud valjda usporediti anelku i henrya.pa henry ga i dan danas pojede kad se sjeti

...ništa ja nisam vidio,ja sammmmm pio vodu...
Obrisan korisnik
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07. veljače 2011. u 18:44

Ja bih dao ovakvu usporedbu, Jose Mourinho - Zdravko Mamić, nitko ih ne voli, ali vrhunski rade svoj posao, ako treba i loviti u mutnome, neka, samo da se ostvari zadani cilj, naslov prvaka 

dr.Damir
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07. veljače 2011. u 19:16
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liverpool igrao sa trojicom u zadnjoj liniji, to dugo nisam vidio da igraju top klubovi...
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To je najbolja taktika kad ti protivnik igra ovaj također starinski 4-4-2 diamond. Evo na slici najbolje objašnjeno, baš kako se vidjelo jučer.

The Reds' three-man defence works well against the Blues' 4-4-2, giving a spare man at the back, and a spare man in an attacking midfield role


A evo zašto nije dobra za 4-3-3 od koje je Ancelotti odustao i zajebao se.

Here, however, when the three-man defence faces a 4-3-3, the Red's three-man defence is overstocked against the lone striker. If the Reds' wing-backs mark the Blues' wingers, then they are left with no attacking width and will see little posssession. If the job is left to the centre-backs, the defence falls apart.


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dr.Damir
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07. veljače 2011. u 19:21
Evo i tekst s kojeg sam to uzeo, odlična analiza.

Basic shapes

Torres and Drogba took it in turns to work the right and left flanks, but both stayed central throughout and didn’t really look to stretch Liverpool’s defence. Everything was narrow, and Liverpool coped pretty well. Lucas Leiva stayed goalside of Nicolas Anelka, meaning Liverpool always had a spare man when Anelka moved forward to join the front two.

Liverpool’s midfield ’square’ in midweek was effectively tilted to become a diamond here, and as we’ve seen before when two diamonds play each other, the game can be rather stilted. Each midfielder had an obvious opponent to track, with Lucas / Anelka, Steven Gerrard / Frank Lampard, Rodriguez / Michael Essien and Meireles / Jon Obi Mikel the usual battles. There was little creativity from that zone.

Liverpool on top

Liverpool were the better side even before they went ahead in the second half, however, for two reasons. First, their diamond had much more fluidity. Chelsea’s midfield roles were obvious, with the diamond remaining intact throughout, each player in the same position. Liverpool’s diamond was based around more mutual understanding – Meireles was usually at the head of the four, but sometimes it was Gerrard, sometimes Rodriguez, sometimes Lucas would venture forward and another player would drop in and hold. That kept Chelsea guessing, and though it didn’t produce anything particularly exciting in the final third, did make Liverpool the side more likely to cause the opposition defence problems.

The second factor was more a question of formation – with the diamonds cancelling each other out in the centre, it was left to the wide areas for drive and attacking thrust. Here, we had Chelsea’s full-backs (in a four) against Liverpool’s wing-backs (in a five), with the latter given much more license to get forward and support the attack. Glen Johnson and Martin Kelly were often immediately in a position to receive a forward pass in space, and stretched the play. In contrast, Ashley Cole and Jose Bosingwa had to motor forward to move into attacking positions, which made Chelsea’s build-up play more laboured. Johnson becoming free on the left resulted in the best chance of the first half, where Rodriguez somehow missed an open goal from inside the six yard box.

On the other hand, this meant that Liverpool had one fewer striker on the pitch, and therefore there was little chance of interplay upfront. Chelsea certainly had that potential, and Drogba playing in Torres created a great chance – only for Jamie Carragher to perform a typical last-ditch block. Overall, however, Liverpool maximised their advantage in wide zones more than Chelsea maximised their advantage in having an extra striker.

Second half

Little changed until on 66 minutes, when Ancelotti decided his shape wasn’t working, and replaced Torres with Kalou, moving Chelsea to 4-3-3. Before noting the tactical aspect, it’s worth considering the psychological boost Liverpool must have received by seeing Torres depart having barely had a kick in the second half. Tactically, it was potentially a great move from Ancelotti – by playing three forwards stretched across the park, he was going to either subdue Liverpool’s wing-backs, or force their centre-backs out wide.

However, within three minutes, Gerrard’s cross found Meireles at the far post, and Liverpool were ahead. Coming so soon after the switch, Chelsea may have confused by the change in formation – after all, they were now 3 v 4 in the centre of the pitch, and Meireles ran in unchecked to finish. The main tactical impact of the goal, however, was that Liverpool didn’t need to worry about the situation at the back – with a 1-0 lead, their wing-backs would happily be subdued, to form a back five and see out the game. They defended well all game – Chelsea only had one shot on target in the match, a Florent Malouda attempt from an impossible angle that Reina blocked easily.

Latter stages

As it happened, Ancelotti ended up moving to a 4-2-4ish system that Liverpool’s back five coped with pretty well, maintaining the spare man they’d had at the back for the majority of the game. Ahead of that, Liverpool now had 4 v 2 in the central midfield zone, with the diamond shifting across to shut Chelsea’s full-backs down – though they offered little threat, especially when Branislav Ivanovic moved out there to make room for David Luiz.

The final 15 minutes was about good individual performances – most obviously at the back, but also in midfield. Lucas was superb, using the ball well, and dominating the zone in front of the back four without the ball by nipping in ahead of Chelsea players to make interceptions.


Conclusion

Ancelotti played into Liverpool’s hands with his narrow formation. The three-man defence coped very well with Chelsea’s two strikers, and it’s likely Chelsea would have had more joy had they played their 4-3-3 earlier in the game. The Kalou-Anelka-Drogba trio has the potential to play in a 4-3-1-2 and a 4-3-3, but by having two central strikers, Torres and Drogba, on the pitch, Chelsea couldn’t change shape without turning to the bench. It would have been interesting to see if Dalglish would have abandoned his three at the back if Chelsea moved to a 4-3-3 earlier.

Liverpool’s players played their roles very well – the centre-backs won individual battles, the midfielders rotated well, the wing-backs got forward, and Kuyt scrapped upfront. In all, Dalglish won the tactical battle here.

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