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06. rujna 2009. u 18:18
gledam slovence, smiješna ekipa stvarno, a odigrali su 1-1 gore (ne brojim onaj poklon englezima)

mislim da ćemo se svi složiti da nam ekipa nije smiješna
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06. rujna 2009. u 18:20
kad su ukrajinci igrali 1-1 do 85´sasvim solidno i imali sansu za 1-2 onda se ne bojim srede
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06. rujna 2009. u 18:21
anas, mandžukić i petrić su slavenovo tajno oružje u srijedu
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06. rujna 2009. u 18:24
da nebi na kraju jurić bio to tajno oružje
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06. rujna 2009. u 18:28

Incendiary atmosphere of England's match with Croatia will provide for an explosive occasion

It will be noisy, frenetic, probably controversial. It will be more boarding party than tea-party. Even the sophisticated firework company booked by Wembley to light up the night sky on Wednesday will struggle to rival the pyrotechnics down below.

 
Incendiary atmosphere of England's match with Croatia will provide for an explosive occasion
Man with the plan: England manager Fabio Capello will aim to get the better of his Croatia counterpart Slaven Bilic (left) Photo: GETTY IMAGES

From Lisbon to London via Zagreb, England versus Croatia has assumed a derby intensity over the past five years. During an era when England footballers' stomach for sporting battle has been questioned, a succession of engagements with Croatia's shin-pad militia has provided a touchstone for the health of the England national side.

The new Wembley lacks atmosphere, the architects having forgotten that the best arenas are built as ravines, but Wednesday will be different. Wembley will be Ambush Central and this time it will be Fabio Capello's England leading the charge, not surrendering as Steve McClaren's men did when Slaven Bilic's warriors were last in town.

From McClaren to Capello, from the "Wally with the Brolly'' to the Man with the Plan. Wednesday's date, 9-9-9, is no cause for alarm. Emboldened by Capello, England fans will let rip at Croatia and Eduardo would be advised to bring earplugs.

The emotion swirling around beneath the arch will be raw, expressive and shaped by history. Despite long-running duels with Germany, Poland and, more recently, Portugal, England also measure themselves against Croatia.

These are tests of character. Barring flashes of technical class from individuals like Niko Kranjcar, Croatia's obvious quality is their unity and the bond with their fans.

Balkan history underpins a pride in that distinct checkerboard shirt. During the dark days of McClaren's reign, England's players seemed to lack a commitment for the cause, a contrast to Bilic and his fired-up Croatians.

These people don't scare easily. Travelling back from Barcelona with Arsenal after a Champions League game in 1999, I happened to stand next to Davor Suker on the bus carrying Arsene Wenger's squad across the tarmac to the plane.

Formerly of Real Madrid, Suker had been given a predictably caustic reception by 100,000 Catalans. Had it upset him? Suker laughed and laughed. He'd loved it.

Croatia were considered tough opponents at Euro 2004, where the recent history begins. Yet they were despatched 4-2 in a breathless game at the Stadium of Light that Steven Gerrard recalls as "crazy, pell-mell football''. It set the tone for eventful matches: 18 goals in 360 minutes so far.

With Sven-Goran Eriksson gone, McClaren led the players into the valley of misery. On Oct 11, 2006, his naive tactics cost England dear in Zagreb: as Gary Neville floundered at wing-back, McClaren's three centre-backs were stretched and pummelled, England losing 2-0 in front of 38,000 crowing locals. Bilic left the Maksimir Stadium clutching Rio Ferdinand's signed shirt almost as spoils of war (in fact, it was a present for Bilic's son).

The contrast between the determined Croatians and the diffident English was embodied by the managers. At Wembley on the darkest of nights on Nov 21, 2007, the heavens opened as if weeping at England's imminent demise.

Concerned about his thinning thatch, McClaren grasped an umbrella. Andy Townsend's wife, watching at home, remarked to her husband: "Look at the wally with the brolly." A famous headline was born. In the other dugout, Bilic was bounding around, oblivious to the rain, his suit soaked, driving his players on to a famous 3-2 victory, so heading Croatia to Euro 2008, England to the beach and McClaren to the job centre.

Likeable but limited, McClaren could, to a degree, blame bad luck. Paul Robinson was deceived by Neville's bobbling back-pass in Zagreb. Scott Carson misread Kranjcar's strike at Wembley. Mere excuses. McClaren was out of his depth. The most culpable was the Football Association for appointing such an inexperienced man.

England had reached a watershed. Because of the need to handle occasionally awkward club managers, the media pressure and the frustrating gaps between internationals, the so-called "Impossible Job'' is best suited to an older individual.

There was one excruciating moment at a party with McClaren when some people in a corner were moaning sotto voce about him. McClaren, working the room, wandered across for a chat. He pointed to a teenager standing close by and said: "Have you met my son?''

McClaren junior must have heard the derisive whispers. No family deserves that treatment and it would be a major surprise if the FA ever appointed again an England manager who had young children.

And so to Capello, 61 when given command of Gerrard, Wayne Rooney and Frank Lampard. Suddenly, England felt in safe hands, but emphatic proof would be provided on Sept 10, 2008, back in Zagreb. Memories of a surreal evening remain. Maksimir diehards were so bullish, expecting more English lambs to the slaughter.

Moments before kick-off as locals belted out their national anthem, a disabled fan was in such a hurry to reach his viewing platform that he picked up his wheelchair and scurried along the athletics track with it.

Across the white line, the unexpected was also encountered. England put Croatia to the sword, the broadsword of Emile Heskey bludgeoning Bilic's defence while the rapier thrusts of Theo Walcott finished them off. Rooney was everywhere, liberated by Capello's tactics and enjoying Heskey's presence. Eventually Bilic's players stooped to strong-arm tactics, flattening Walcott and Joe Cole.

At the final whistle, as Walcott celebrated his hat-trick, the Croatian curse had been lifted. The rivalry resumes this week with England in far better shape.

Croatia having prevented England from reaching Euro 2008, there would be something wholly appropriate about England qualifying for the 2010 World Cup after sharing a pitch with Bilic's team. One thing is certain: there will be fireworks.

telegraph.co.uk

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06. rujna 2009. u 18:29

England favourites but underestimate Croatia at your peril, insists Davor Suker

Davor Suker is talking about the Spanish real estate company that he runs with Julio Iglesias.

As implausible business alliances go, this must rank fairly highly.

 
England are favourites but underestimate Croatia at your peril, insists Davor Suker
Good old days: Davor Suker was a Golden Boot winner with Croatia, now runs a number of enterprises including property and football coaching Photo: AP

But no, Croatia's greatest goalscorer met the legendary Latin crooner while at Seville in the mid-Nineties and the pair have been close friends ever since.

When Suker is not cutting a swathe through the villas of Alicante and Murcia he is at his Zagreb coaching academy, plotting the next expansion of a burgeoning empire. Echoing the American dream of David Beckham, the former Arsenal and West Ham striker has staged clinics in New York, Toronto and Calgary, with Charlotte, North Carolina, next on the roster.

This is no mere excuse to augment his air miles; the project has already achieved notable successes. Dean Parrett, the young Tottenham winger who has represented England at Under-16 level, was a product of the Suker treatment in Austria.

Suker's coaching sideline is also one that he shares with Beckham, an intriguing sub-plot ahead of his country's battle royale with England on Wednesday night. But whereas Beckham's appearances at his hothouses in Greenwich and Los Angeles are infrequent, shoehorned into a diary crammed with appearances for Dolce & Gabbana, Suker's commitment to his own is unequivocal.

"This is my hobby business and business hobby," he says. "When I hold a training camp, I am there 24 hours or seven days. The difference between Beckham and myself is that every time I have training, I am there to train with the kids. We go to the swimming pool, we go to eat – I am there for the full seven days. That is my promise: not only to earn the money, that is not my way."

Beckham, of course, has the cachet to command the support of giant corporations, including adidas, while Suker's interests are funded by lesser sponsors such as Evian water.

Suker, though, derives a greater satisfaction from the work than he ever did in the Premier League or La Liga. "Kids from nine to 15 have a smile, it is the best time to work with them. It is much easier than when you have 25 players fighting for one place. It's not money talking, it's a case that everybody wants to learn."

He is equally conscious that his enterprise is serving not just as an inspiration for Croatia's young but as a unifying force throughout the former Yugoslavia.

"I am so happy, people from Bosnia, Slovenia, Macedonia all visit my soccer camp. My academy is open, it is not only for perfect football players. Everyone who dreams of one day becoming a player can come and visit my camp."

Behind this idealistic rhetoric, there whirrs a formidable business brain. Suker has even diversified into the beer trade, manufacturing a beer, "Davor", which has become the third best-selling in Croatia. Of his varied portfolio, he says: "I am a consultant, I have the 'everything will be OK' role. With my languages, with my experience, I can try to help big companies."

He is no slouch when it comes to assisting football teams either. Slaven Bilic, the Croatia coach, has approached him several times for advice, but Suker is realistic about the test his nation can expect from a side managed by Fabio Capello.

Both Suker and Capello, who combined to steer Real Madrid to the Spanish league title in 1996, esteem the virtues of hard work and strict organisation as highly as each other. Suker is left in no doubt that the England to be confronted in the three days' time are, under the Italian, a vastly improved proposition to the motley crew of Steve McClaren's, vanquished 22 months ago by Croatia in the Wembley rain.

"I am very good friends with Capello, so you can read between my words: England now have discipline, fight, pride. This is what modern football needs to have. You can compare it to what Harry Redknapp has achieved at Tottenham.

"That is the difference. I worked with Capello, and when England signed him I remember thinking how good he would be for them. I hope that England can be the World Cup winners in South Africa. But it will need a great deal of work.

"This next game, we need the points. England are the favourites – that is always the case in their beautiful stadium – but I have to hope Croatia can take a point. Fabio Capello now has all that he needs: defending and attacking. That's what England lacked before, a squad of 22 who were all of great quality."

But Suker is never one to talk down his countrymen's chances. He may not be their cheerleader in the uncompromising Balkan mould of Bilic but, having won the Golden Boot at the 1998 World Cup as Croatia reached the semi-finals in France, he is proof of their capacity to punch well above their weight.

The man often identified among the greatest living Croatians admits: "It is not important how much you earn in a week or a month – for your country you need to be proud, whether the country has four million people or 60 million.

"We demonstrated at the World Cup in '98 that we have the formula to fight against big teams. And we like to play with pressure. We have good potential in the squad, although we needed Eduardo fit for the European Championships last year. England will qualify for the World Cup as first in the group but Croatia should be second – if we are tough enough.

"No one can dismiss Croatia as just a small country. No one can regard us with, how you might say, frivolity? It is small country, but not in terms of its football. When someone does not talk nicely about Croatia, we can play very aggressively. We won 3-2 last time, so we don't need to show anything else."

And another thing...

Boarding schoolchildren unpacking trunks for another term will laugh at fears over how 23 grown men, all of them millionaires, can cope with spending five weeks away from home.

Yet the FA is well aware that English players get bored far quicker than other nations’. The base in South Africa will have an arcade packed with computer games, table tennis, pool etc, but what the squad needs most is a character, a joker in the pack.

The only occasions England have reached semi-finals since 1966 have been with the madcap Gazza putting a whoopee cushion under that old enemy, tedium.

England’s present crop are far more mature. Key leaders will be the captain John Terry, David Beckham, who will keep an eye on the younger players, while Paul Robinson and David James are ebullient personalities.

But the main man will be the popular, ego-free but quirky Wayne Rooney, England’s talisman off the field as well as on it.

telegraph.co.uk

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06. rujna 2009. u 18:32
Mickey je napisao/la:
. . . ne brojim onaj poklon englezima. .
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Ja se upravo bojim da bi moglo biti jos poklona u srijedu

. . gledao sam onaj interview sa Bilicem. . djeluje dosta smireno i to je dobro.
Baric bi vjerojatno rekao da mu fale 2 glavna igraca i jos dva kojih jos nije nasao. . Onda bi ubacio 10 stopera i dao Drpicu kapetansku vrpcu. . kad sam ga vidio jucer na TV-u, zgadilo mi se
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England must set tone - Terry

Captain John Terry has stressed the need for England to win the physical battle with Croatia if they are to triumph in their World Cup qualifier at Wembley.

The Croatians have adopted an aggressive approach towards England in recent previous meetings, including their 3-2 win at Wembley two years ago and even when beaten 4-1 at home last September.

Terry is expecting a similar style on Wednesday and said: "I think the importance of that first 10-15 minutes cannot be over-stressed. From a personal point of view, the last game in Zagreb was very physical. They set the tone of the game early on. That is what we need to do."

He added: "I think for the first 15 minutes we need to be aggressive and match them. When the ball does get down and we start playing I think we've seen we can match a lot of the teams in the world.

"But physically, as we do at Chelsea, you go out to win your battles early on. That's key; that can set the tone of the game."

The circumstances of the tie will have a major bearing on tactics, Terry points out.

"They have to win, so we have to make sure we are organised and very patient as well and soak up a lot of the pressure they are going to try and pile on early on - which they did over there," he added.

"If we can do that, with the quality we have got going forward, we can always score goals."

England have a 100% record from their opening seven qualifiers, and Terry would like England to finish their group with an unblemished record.

He said: "To win all 10 qualifiers, that is the ideal situation. We all realise we are still not qualified, and Croatia is going to be a tough game. I don't think it is really a revenge situation - although with what happened in the last game against Croatia at Wembley, there is a little bit of that."

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06. rujna 2009. u 18:37
blue avalanche je napisao/la:
miki
odakle odjednom tolika ljubav prema ananasuda nije pala koja kuna na ziroracun
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nije. ali znam što je kadar odigrati kad ima idealan dan. da sam na mjestu bilića dao bi malome cijelu tekmu pa što bude.
naravno imajući u vidu da ljubimac 3/4 ovog foruma (uključujući mene) nema trku i snage za 90 minuta (niko).

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Ja se upravo bojim da bi moglo biti jos poklona u srijedu

. . gledao sam onaj interview sa Bilicem. . djeluje dosta smireno i to je dobro.
Baric bi vjerojatno rekao da mu fale 2 glavna igraca i jos dva kojih jos nije nasao. . Onda bi ubacio 10 stopera i dao Drpicu kapetansku vrpcu. . kad sam ga vidio jucer na TV-u, zgadilo mi se
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englezi bi tek najebali kad bi dobivali poklone of fifa-e odnosno preko sudaca....

zamisli scenarij nakon takve tekme, pa bilo bi rata čovječe....nismo mi neka tunguzija bez jaja koja bi to tek tako prihvatila

ili kao blatter koji svojim švicarcima preko sudaca dijeli poklone (vidi jučer crveni karton grku: sudac nije ni vidio što je bilo niti je bilo za karton)

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