Engleski Premiership 2008/09

Mihalj
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11. svibnja 2009. u 23:57
svraka9 je napisao/la:
pa taj "wannabe klub - obična nula" je naprimjer na današnjoj utakmici imao više gledatelja nego hrvatski prvak u cijeloj sezoni.
Zadnjih par godina jesu u banani,ali te tvoje izjave pokazuju da ne znaš ništa o onome što komentiraš 
 

 
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wooov koje mjerilo više gledatelja neg hrvatski prvak

znači oni su veliki klub jer imaju  pun stadion jel? po toj logici velik klub je i ne znam Millwall ili Crystal Palace.. stvarno si me razoružao argumentima svaka čast.
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12. svibnja 2009. u 00:01
Naravno da to ne može biti jedini argument, ali jedan od glavnih može biti.
Baš sam neki dan čitao kolumnu o tome.


What is a “big club”?
Written by Paul Jones on May 2nd, 2009
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For years, decades, and probably as far back as John Houlding booting Everton out of Anfield for not paying their rent, people have argued over the definition of a “big club”. It’s not just a case of typing it into google or wikipedia and getting an answer; it’s an infinite arguement; there will always be difference of opinion.

Is it purely a success thing? A combination of on-pitch success and size of fan base? Average attendance, wealth, success and history? Or can it be based purely on the size of a club’s fanbase? I don’t think there is a definite answer, but for me, it’s a combination of all, with wealth of the club being at the bottom of the list and fan base at the top. Pumping £500m into a club like QPR doesn’t automatically make them a big club; the same applies to Chelsea.

The debate has raged amid the return of 2,000 tickets to Barcelona earlier in the week, as Chelsea fans failed to sell their allocation of just over 4,800 tickets. Would a “big club” ever return nearly half of their allocation for a European Cup semi final in Barcelona? No chance.

For me, there’s only two giants in this country, and they are Liverpool and Manchester United. Everybody else lags miles behind. Just as Real Madrid and Barcelona stand head and shoulders above the rest in Spain, Liverpool and Man United stand tall on these shores.

They are the two most successful clubs in the country, with a far bigger fan base than any other club. Both have fans all over the country and all over the world. Go into any little town all over the country and you’ll find United and Liverpool fans. Most of them have no idea where Anfield or Old Trafford are, or even care; but they exist. The same cannot be said for any other club. But that does not mean there are no other “big clubs” on this island of ours.

The likes of Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, West Ham, Newcastle are all big clubs. Some may debate that, and feel free, but all attract large crowds on a regular basis no matter what their prediciment at the time. The biggest sign of a big club for me is a strong fan base. Everything else comes secondary. I’ve no doubt missed a few clubs off that list, but I think we all know who they are.

Would all of them clubs sell out an allocation of 4,800 for a European Cup semi final in Barcelona? Without doubt. Chelsea are an average sized club with money; nothing more.

What does get to me though, is that Chelsea used to have a massive following in the 70’s and 80’s; taking thousands away from home week in week out, yet all those fans and the traditions of their fan base have long since disappeared. How can a club change so much just from the influx of money? Have that generation of fans disappeared from Chelsea forever?

The big club debate can rage on and on, but one thing is for certain; Chelsea are not one. Last week’s return of tickets confirms that beyond all doubt for me.


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12. svibnja 2009. u 00:01
svraka9 je napisao/la:
pa taj "wannabe klub - obična nula" je naprimjer na današnjoj utakmici imao više gledatelja nego hrvatski prvak u cijeloj sezoni.
Zadnjih par godina jesu u banani,ali te tvoje izjave pokazuju da ne znaš ništa o onome što komentiraš 
 
 
a o tome da Hull ima lakši raspored nisam baš siguran, Bolton još nije teoretski siguran tako da neće šetat terenom, a Manchesterove "rezerve" su i neki dan protiv Bora pokazale zašto je ManU najbolji na otoku. Iako tu može bit svašta. Dodaj tome očajnu formu Hulla i eto spasa svrakama.
 
 
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e sad...nemoš formu toonsa gledat prema pobjedi nad očajnim borom

a ak bolton nije 'siguran' onda mislim stvarno...ko je?

a protiv hulla,kad sam napisao da će man utd ić sa rezervama nisam mislio na giggsa,parka,evansa,scholesa,nanija i sl nego na klince tipa eckersley,fabio,macheda,gibson,welbeck i sl a hull će morat dat sve od sebe u toj zadnjoj tekmi

no dobro...bitno da su oni boru otkantali,vjerujem kako će im još 3 boda biti dostatna jer je gol razlika na njihovoj strani
...ništa ja nisam vidio,ja sammmmm pio vodu...
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12. svibnja 2009. u 00:05
dr.Damir je napisao/la:
Naravno da to ne može biti jedini argument, ali jedan od glavnih može biti.
Baš sam neki dan čitao kolumnu o tome.


What is a “big club”?
Written by Paul Jones on May 2nd, 2009
You are here: Home » Comment and Opinion » What is a “big club”?

For years, decades, and probably as far back as John Houlding booting Everton out of Anfield for not paying their rent, people have argued over the definition of a “big club”. It’s not just a case of typing it into google or wikipedia and getting an answer; it’s an infinite arguement; there will always be difference of opinion.

Is it purely a success thing? A combination of on-pitch success and size of fan base? Average attendance, wealth, success and history? Or can it be based purely on the size of a club’s fanbase? I don’t think there is a definite answer, but for me, it’s a combination of all, with wealth of the club being at the bottom of the list and fan base at the top. Pumping £500m into a club like QPR doesn’t automatically make them a big club; the same applies to Chelsea.

The debate has raged amid the return of 2,000 tickets to Barcelona earlier in the week, as Chelsea fans failed to sell their allocation of just over 4,800 tickets. Would a “big club” ever return nearly half of their allocation for a European Cup semi final in Barcelona? No chance.

For me, there’s only two giants in this country, and they are Liverpool and Manchester United. Everybody else lags miles behind. Just as Real Madrid and Barcelona stand head and shoulders above the rest in Spain, Liverpool and Man United stand tall on these shores.

They are the two most successful clubs in the country, with a far bigger fan base than any other club. Both have fans all over the country and all over the world. Go into any little town all over the country and you’ll find United and Liverpool fans. Most of them have no idea where Anfield or Old Trafford are, or even care; but they exist. The same cannot be said for any other club. But that does not mean there are no other “big clubs” on this island of ours.

The likes of Everton, Tottenham, Arsenal, Aston Villa, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday, Derby, West Ham, Newcastle are all big clubs. Some may debate that, and feel free, but all attract large crowds on a regular basis no matter what their prediciment at the time. The biggest sign of a big club for me is a strong fan base. Everything else comes secondary. I’ve no doubt missed a few clubs off that list, but I think we all know who they are.

Would all of them clubs sell out an allocation of 4,800 for a European Cup semi final in Barcelona? Without doubt. Chelsea are an average sized club with money; nothing more.

What does get to me though, is that Chelsea used to have a massive following in the 70’s and 80’s; taking thousands away from home week in week out, yet all those fans and the traditions of their fan base have long since disappeared. How can a club change so much just from the influx of money? Have that generation of fans disappeared from Chelsea forever?

The big club debate can rage on and on, but one thing is for certain; Chelsea are not one. Last week’s return of tickets confirms that beyond all doubt for me.


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al čitaj malo po netu kaj sami englezi misle o newcastleu. ok oni su velik klub jer imaju navijačku bazu al su u engleskoj predmet sprdnje jer si stalno briju da su nešto posebno . inace ovo s chelseajem je zanimljiva prica postali su pravi mali šminkerski pomodarski klub
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12. svibnja 2009. u 08:57
prokeltstvo Prestona se nastavlja...devet puta u istoriji su igrali plej of u svim takmicenjima i nikad nisu izborili promotion. Mrtvacki kovceg sa imenom kluba ostaje zakopan u centru grada najmanje jos godinu dana

Sheff.utd mnogo bolji, zasluzuju prolaz, mada navijam za Reading, a ako oni ne prodju Burnley, onda ce Bladesi da to lagano dobiju na Wembleyu

kao sto sam napisao nekoliko stranica pre i nekoliko nedelja ranije, Newcastle ce nekim cudom da ostane u ligi, a Hull ce da se vrati u Coca Colu zajedno sa WBA i Boroom.
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12. svibnja 2009. u 09:04
Hull će sigurno dobiti Uniteda u poslednjem kolu, pošto United redovno gubi te utakmice u poslednjem kolu, a prethodno je već postao prvak.
Ja sam protiv svakog nacionalizma,jer je nacionalizam najnizi oblik drustvene svesti - Koca Popovic
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12. svibnja 2009. u 09:37
Ajde Newcastle hvala gnjurcu višeClap
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12. svibnja 2009. u 11:21
gorc je napisao/la:
svraka9 je napisao/la:
pa taj "wannabe klub - obična nula" je naprimjer na današnjoj utakmici imao više gledatelja nego hrvatski prvak u cijeloj sezoni.
Zadnjih par godina jesu u banani,ali te tvoje izjave pokazuju da ne znaš ništa o onome što komentiraš 
 
 
a o tome da Hull ima lakši raspored nisam baš siguran, Bolton još nije teoretski siguran tako da neće šetat terenom, a Manchesterove "rezerve" su i neki dan protiv Bora pokazale zašto je ManU najbolji na otoku. Iako tu može bit svašta. Dodaj tome očajnu formu Hulla i eto spasa svrakama.
 
 
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e sad...nemoš formu toonsa gledat prema pobjedi nad očajnim borom

a ak bolton nije 'siguran' onda mislim stvarno...ko je?

a protiv hulla,kad sam napisao da će man utd ić sa rezervama nisam mislio na giggsa,parka,evansa,scholesa,nanija i sl nego na klince tipa eckersley,fabio,macheda,gibson,welbeck i sl a hull će morat dat sve od sebe u toj zadnjoj tekmi

no dobro...bitno da su oni boru otkantali,vjerujem kako će im još 3 boda biti dostatna jer je gol razlika na njihovoj strani
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ma naravno da je sve to relativno, lakši - teži raspored. Bitno je da sad imaju sudbinu u svojim rukama, Fulham doma se može pobijedit a ni Villi zadnje kolo neće ništa igrat.
 
Dobar je ovaj tekst, nije Newcastle naranvo "velik" ko ManU ili L`Pool ali reći da je "nula od kluba" je stvarno u najmanju ruku nepoznavanje stvari. Imaju dugu tradiciju, slavnu prošlost, nevjerovatnu povezanost sa svojim krajem, ogromnu navijačku potporu, itd. Dosta je samo pogledat kako su medijski praćene sve promjene u klubu (najsvježiji primjer dolazak Shearera), zar bi neka "nula od kluba" to doživjela??
A to što se "englezi sprdaju po netu" je strašan argument, pogledaj topic Hajduk ili Dinamo pa možda dođeš do zaključka da su to "nule od hrvatskih klubova". 
 
i tako dalje
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12. svibnja 2009. u 18:53
koja smijurija od ljestvice. tek da podsjetim. najbolje kupnje u tekućoj sezoni.

Top 10 premierligaških kupnji u izboru stranice Football365.com:

1. Wilson Palacios (Tottenham)

2. Mark Schwarzer (Fulham)

3. James Beattie (Stoke City)

4. Luka Modrić (Tottenham)

5. Sebastien Bassong (Newcastle)

6. Marouane Fellaini (Everton)

7. Robinho (Manchester City)

8. Andrej Aršavin (Arsenal)

9. Peter Crouch (Portsmouth)

10. Amr Zaki (Wigan)
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12. svibnja 2009. u 19:36
Willy Palacios je predator od igrača... šteta, brata su mu našli mrtvog u Hondurasu...
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