Europska liga 2009/10
miha1 je napisao/la:
Drugo Ajaxova škola nogometa isto nije što je nekad bila. U zadnjih 10 godina su "proizveli" Sneijdera i Van der Vaarta i to je manje više sve što vrijedi. Heitinga, De Jong, Babel, Vermaelen su prosječni igrači.
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Miha, cijenim tvoje postove, jer si uvijek dosta realan, ali reći da su ovo prosječni igrači...?!
Atletico Madrid, Man City, Liverpool i Arsenal su klubovi u kojima igraju ova četiri igrača.
Pa nije valjda da smo otišli toliko daleko da smo počeli pričati u stilu '
'ma, koji su to prosjeci, neš' ti, pa i xyzfjth može danas igrati u Liverpoolu, k'o da je to nešto posebno...
hebeš ti tu Ajaxovu školu nogometa...itd...''
Ti igrači su prošli kompletnu Ajaxovu školu nogometa (osim Vermaelena koji je s 15 godina došao u klub),
što se ne bi moglo reći za veliku većinu igrača koje je Maminjo iz Dinama transferirao u evropske klubove,
većinom su (iznimka su Dudu i Čarli) stasali drugdje i u Dinamo su dolazili kao (polu)gotovi igrači
(Luka, Vukojević, Olić, Pokrivač, Balaban...itd...)
Također, ti igrači su za sad ostvarili puno više (ako ništa drugo, igraju za puno jače klubove i jača su ''imena'' na papiru),
nego izdanci Dinamove škole nogometa, što ne znači da se to u bližoj ili daljoj budućnosti neće promjeniti, dao Bog...
evo koga su od važnijih igrača prodali iz ajaxa i gdje u zadnjih 6-7 godina i na kojima su zaradili miljune i milijune
09/10 - Vermaelen (Arsenal)
08/09 - Huntelaar (Real Madrid),Heitinga (Atletico Madrid)
07/08 - Snejider (Real Madrid),Babel (Liverpool),Maduro (Valencia)
06/07 - Rosenberg (Werder)
05/06 - van der Vaart (HSV),de Jong (HSV),Lobont (Fiorentina),Sonck (Monchengladbach)
04/05 - Ibrahimović (Juventus)
03/04 - Chivu (Roma),van der Meyde (Inter),Mido (Marseille)
sve su to odreda odlični igrači (ili su bili tada) i svi su odreda otišli u klasne klubove...naravno,nije to popis ni približno sličan onome iz devedesetih,ali i od tada se dosta toga promijenilo i ne mogu konkurirati klubovima iz liga petica...ali opet,nitko im nije ravan po prodajama iz ovih ostalih liga (možda Porto)...uvijek su imali a uvijek će i imati dobru školu i dobre igrače a s time i dobre rezultate
oni su njih proizveli i na njima zaradili milijune...nisu oni krivi što se npr van der meyde nije snašao,ili što rafa nezna šta će s babelom itd itd...oni su svoj primaran cilj s tim igračima napravili
09/10 - Vermaelen (Arsenal)
08/09 - Huntelaar (Real Madrid),Heitinga (Atletico Madrid)
07/08 - Snejider (Real Madrid),Babel (Liverpool),Maduro (Valencia)
06/07 - Rosenberg (Werder)
05/06 - van der Vaart (HSV),de Jong (HSV),Lobont (Fiorentina),Sonck (Monchengladbach)
04/05 - Ibrahimović (Juventus)
03/04 - Chivu (Roma),van der Meyde (Inter),Mido (Marseille)
sve su to odreda odlični igrači (ili su bili tada) i svi su odreda otišli u klasne klubove...naravno,nije to popis ni približno sličan onome iz devedesetih,ali i od tada se dosta toga promijenilo i ne mogu konkurirati klubovima iz liga petica...ali opet,nitko im nije ravan po prodajama iz ovih ostalih liga (možda Porto)...uvijek su imali a uvijek će i imati dobru školu i dobre igrače a s time i dobre rezultate
oni su njih proizveli i na njima zaradili milijune...nisu oni krivi što se npr van der meyde nije snašao,ili što rafa nezna šta će s babelom itd itd...oni su svoj primaran cilj s tim igračima napravili
...ništa ja nisam vidio,ja sammmmm pio vodu...
UEFA Country Coefficients 2009/2010Last update: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:38:10 CET |
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 1 |
|
14 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 20.0 | 5.000 | |||
| 1 | Maccabi Haifa | CL | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 9.5 | not out | ||
| 10 | Bnei Yehuda | EL | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.0 | |||
| 57 | Hapoel Tel-Aviv | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 118 | Maccabi Netanya | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 2 |
|
12 | 7 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15.5 | 3.875 | |||
| 14 | Sturm Graz | EL | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | not out | ||
| 16 | Rapid Wien | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | not out | ||
| 57 | Austria Wien | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 68 | FC Salzburg | EL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 3 |
|
9 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14.0 | 3.500 | |||
| 4 | APOEL Nicosia | CL | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Anorthosis Famagusta | EL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 76 | Omonia Nicosia | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 176 | APOP Kinyras Peyias | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 4 |
|
9 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14.0 | 3.500 | |||
| 5 | FC Zürich | CL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 7.0 | not out | ||
| 12 | FC Basel | EL | 5 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.5 | not out | ||
| 130 | Young Boys | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | FC Sion | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 5 |
|
8 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 24.5 | 3.500 | |||
| 6 | Atlético Madrid | CL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Real Madrid | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | FC Barcelona | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Sevilla | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 76 | Athletic Bilbao | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | not out | ||
| 92 | Villarreal | EL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| 92 | Valencia | EL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 6 |
|
7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 23.5 | 3.357 | |||
| 6 | Arsenal | CL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Manchester United | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Chelsea | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Liverpool | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Fulham FC | EL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 114 | Everton | EL | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | not out | ||
| 130 | Aston Villa | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 7 |
|
5 | 4 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 23.0 | 3.285 | |||
| 13 | Fiorentina | CL | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Juventus | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | AC Milan | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Internazionale | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 54 | AS Roma | EL | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.5 | not out | ||
| 114 | Genoa | EL | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | not out | ||
| 130 | Lazio Roma | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 8 |
|
7 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 19.5 | 3.250 | |||
| 11 | VfB Stuttgart | CL | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5.5 | not out | ||
| 22 | Bayern München | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | VfL Wolfsburg | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Hamburger SV | EL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 92 | Werder Bremen | EL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| 130 | Hertha BSC | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 9 |
|
7 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | 19.0 | 3.166 | |||
| 6 | Olympique Lyon | CL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 6.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Girondins Bordeaux | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Olympique Marseille | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 44 | Lille OSC | EL | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 130 | Toulouse FC | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 204 | En Avant Guingamp | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 10 |
|
12 | 6 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 15.0 | 3.000 | |||
| 16 | FC Kobenhavn | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | not out | ||
| 16 | Randers FC | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | |||
| 68 | Brondby IF | EL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 76 | OB Odense | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 176 | AaB Aalborg | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 11 |
|
9 | 4 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 15.0 | 3.000 | |||
| 16 | Metalurg Donetsk | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | |||
| 22 | Dinamo Kiev | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Shakhtar Donetsk | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 76 | Metalist Kharkiv | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 130 | Vorskla Poltava | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 12 |
|
11 | 5 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 17.5 | 2.916 | |||
| 22 | AZ Alkmaar | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 44 | PSV Eindhoven | EL | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 46 | NAC Breda | EL | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 76 | FC Twente Enschede | EL | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | not out | ||
| 92 | Ajax | EL | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| 130 | Heerenveen | EL | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 13 |
|
8 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 14.0 | 2.800 | |||
| 14 | Galatasaray | EL | 4 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Besiktas | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Fenerbahçe | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 130 | Trabzonspor | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 165 | Sivasspor | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 14 |
|
6 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 11.0 | 2.750 | |||
| 2 | DVSC Debrecen | CL | 5 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 9.0 | not out | ||
| 118 | Haladás Szombathely | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 176 | Honvéd Budapest | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Újpest TE | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 15 |
|
10 | 5 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 16.5 | 2.750 | |||
| 9 | Steaua Bucuresti | EL | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Unirea Urziceni | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 76 | FC Vaslui | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 114 | CFR Cluj | EL | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | not out | ||
| 118 | FC Timisoara | EL | 0 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | not out | ||
| 130 | Dinamo Bucuresti | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 16 |
|
8 | 4 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10.0 | 2.500 | |||
| 16 | IF Elfsborg | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | |||
| 46 | Helsingborg IF | EL | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 130 | Kalmar FF | CL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | IFK Göteborg | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 17 |
|
8 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10.0 | 2.500 | |||
| 46 | MSK Zilina | EL | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 76 | Spartak Trnava | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 76 | MFK Kosice | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 175 | Slovan Bratislava | EL | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 18 |
|
8 | 4 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10.0 | 2.500 | |||
| 16 | Partizan Belgrade | EL | 4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | not out | ||
| 46 | Red Star Belgrade | EL | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 165 | FK Sevojno | EL | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Vojvodina Novi Sad | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 19 |
|
7 | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 12.5 | 2.500 | |||
| 3 | Olympiakos Piraeus | CL | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8.0 | not out | ||
| 96 | PAOK Thessaloniki | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | AEK Athens | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 165 | Panathinaikos | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 176 | AE Larissa | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 20 |
|
10 | 5 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12.5 | 2.500 | |||
| 46 | Sigma Olomouc | EL | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 57 | Sparta Praha | EL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 57 | Slovan Liberec | EL | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 96 | Slavia Praha | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| 176 | FK Teplice | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 21 |
|
8 | 3 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 9.5 | 2.375 | |||
| 55 | Levski Sofia | EL | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.5 | not out | ||
| 57 | CSKA Sofia | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 96 | Cherno More Varna | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Litex Lovech | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 22 |
|
7 | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8.5 | 2.125 | |||
| 46 | BATE Borisov | EL | 4 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 96 | Dinamo Minsk | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 118 | MTZ-Ripo Minsk | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Naftan Novopolotsk | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 23 |
|
7 | 3 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8.5 | 2.125 | |||
| 57 | Legia Warsaw | EL | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 68 | Polonia Warsaw | EL | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 96 | Lech Poznan | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 176 | Wisla Kraków | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 24 |
|
8 | 5 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10.5 | 2.100 | |||
| 46 | Tromso IL | EL | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 76 | Rosenborg BK | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 110 | Stabak IF | EL | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Fredrikstad FK | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 130 | Valerengen IF | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 25 |
|
6 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8.0 | 2.000 | |||
| 55 | Slaven Koprivnica | EL | 3 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.5 | |||
| 68 | Dinamo Zagreb | EL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 165 | NK Rijeka | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Hajduk Split | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 26 |
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3 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 12.0 | 2.000 | |||
| 22 | CSKA Moscow | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 22 | Rubin Kazan | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 118 | Dinamo Moscow | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Krylia Sovetov Samara | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 130 | Amkar Perm | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Zenit St. Petersburg | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 27 |
|
6 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.0 | 1.750 | |||
| 76 | FC Zestafoni | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 96 | Olimpi Rustavi | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 96 | Dinamo Tbilisi | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 176 | Georgia Tbilisi | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 28 |
|
5 | 4 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 7.0 | 1.750 | |||
| 68 | FK Sarajevo | EL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 118 | Siroki Brijeg | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 118 | Slavija Sarajevo | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Zrinjski Mostar | CL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 29 |
|
4 | 1 | 9 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 8.5 | 1.700 | |||
| 22 | Standard Liege | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 76 | Club Brugge | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | not out | ||
| 165 | Anderlecht | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 165 | AA Gent | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | Racing Genk | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 30 |
|
3 | 6 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 10.0 | 1.666 | |||
| 22 | FC Porto | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 96 | Sporting CP Lisbon | EL | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | not out | ||
| 114 | Nacional Funchal | EL | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | not out | ||
| 118 | Paços de Ferreira | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Benfica | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 204 | Sporting Braga | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 31 |
|
5 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.0 | 1.500 | |||
| 68 | FK Ventspils | EL | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 118 | Dinaburg Daugavpils | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Metalurgs Liepaja | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Skonto Riga | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 32 |
|
4 | 4 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 6.0 | 1.500 | |||
| 46 | Garabag Agdam | EL | 3 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | |||
| 110 | FK Baku | EL | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 204 | Inter Baku | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Simurq Zaqatala | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 33 |
|
5 | 0 | 11 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 9.0 | 1.500 | |||
| 22 | Glasgow Rangers | CL | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 4.0 | not out | ||
| 110 | Motherwell | EL | 2 | 0 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Falkirk FC | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 130 | Hearts FC | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 165 | Celtic | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | not out | ||
| 204 | Aberdeen | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 34 |
|
5 | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.5 | 1.375 | |||
| 88 | NK Maribor | EL | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 96 | Rudar Velenje | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Nova Gorica | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | IB Ljubljana | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 35 |
|
3 | 5 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.5 | 1.375 | |||
| 88 | St. Patrick's Athletic | EL | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 96 | Derry City | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 176 | Bohemians Dublin | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 176 | Sligo Rovers | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 36 |
|
5 | 1 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.5 | 1.375 | |||
| 88 | FC Lahti | EL | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 96 | Honka Espoo | EL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | HJK Helsinki | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | Inter Turku | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 37 |
|
3 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | 1.250 | |||
| 76 | Fram Reykjavik | EL | 2 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 96 | KR Reykjavik | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 176 | Keflavik | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | FH Hafnarfjardar | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 38 |
|
4 | 2 | 6 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | 1.250 | |||
| 88 | FK Aktobe | EL | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.5 | |||
| 130 | Irtysh Pavlodar | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 130 | Okzhetpes Kokshetau | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Tobol Kustanai | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 39 |
|
3 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 5.0 | 1.250 | |||
| 68 | Vetra Vilnius | EL | 3 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | |||
| 130 | FBK Kaunas | EL | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Ekranas Panevezys | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 176 | Suduva Marijampole | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 40 |
|
4 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | 1.125 | |||
| 96 | Mogren Budva | CL | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Buducnost Podgorica | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 165 | OFK Petrovac | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Sutjeska Niksic | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 41 |
|
3 | 3 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.5 | 1.125 | |||
| 68 | Sheriff Tiraspol | EL | 2 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | not out | ||
| 118 | Zimbru Chisinau | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 204 | Dacia Chisinau | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Iskra-Stal Ribnita | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 42 |
|
3 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4.0 | 1.000 | |||
| 118 | Vllaznia Shkodër | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 130 | Dinamo Tirana | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 130 | KS Flamurtari Vlorë | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | SK Tirana | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 43 |
|
1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 1.000 | |||
| 165 | FC Vaduz | EL | 1 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 44 |
|
2 | 3 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.5 | 0.875 | |||
| 110 | Levadia Tallinn | EL | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 130 | Flora Tallinn | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Kalju Nomme | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Trans Narva | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 45 |
|
1 | 4 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3.0 | 0.750 | |||
| 96 | Valletta FC | EL | 1 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | |||
| 176 | Birkirkara | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 176 | Sliema Wanderers | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Hibernians FC | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 46 |
|
0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 0.500 | |||
| 130 | Tre Fiori | CL | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | Juvenes Dogana | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 47 |
|
0 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 0.500 | |||
| 165 | Sant Julia | CL | 0 | 2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | Santa Coloma | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 48 |
|
1 | 2 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | 0.500 | |||
| 118 | Rabotnicki Skopje | EL | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.5 | |||
| 176 | Renova Dzepciste | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Makedonija Skopje | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Milano Kumanovo | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 49 |
|
1 | 2 | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2.0 | 0.500 | |||
| 130 | Banants Yerevan | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 176 | Pyunik Yerevan | CL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 176 | Mika Ashtarak | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Gandzasar Kapan | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 50 |
|
1 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 0.250 | |||
| 130 | Differdange 03 | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | F91 Dudelange | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | CS Grevenmacher | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | UN Käerjeng | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 51 |
|
1 | 0 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | 0.250 | |||
| 130 | Llanelli FC | EL | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1.0 | |||
| 204 | Rhyl FC | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | The New Saints | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Bangor City | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 52 |
|
0 | 1 | 7 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | 0.125 | |||
| 176 | Crusaders Belfast | EL | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.5 | |||
| 204 | Glentoran | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Lisburn Distillery | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | Linfield Belfast | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| Cup | qW | qD | qL | #W | #D | #L | Bonus | Points | Average | ||||
| 53 |
|
0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0.000 | |||
| 204 | EB Streymur | CL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | NSI Runavik | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | B36 Torshavn | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
| 204 | HB Torshavn | EL | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | |||
velikiznalac je napisao/la:
1. ajax2. temisoara (ovo podsjeća na pisoar)

3. atomski dinamo
4 anderlecht
postoji mogućnost da sam fulao prognozu, pa anderlecht i dinamo zamijene mjesto na ljestvici..
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Daj reci mi tko uzima CL, a tko EL? Tko je sljedeci americki predsjednik?
gorc je napisao/la:
evo koga su od važnijih igrača prodali iz ajaxa i gdje u zadnjih 6-7 godina i na kojima su zaradili miljune i milijune09/10 - Vermaelen (Arsenal)
08/09 - Huntelaar (Real Madrid),Heitinga (Atletico Madrid)
07/08 - Snejider (Real Madrid),Babel (Liverpool),Maduro (Valencia)
06/07 - Rosenberg (Werder)
05/06 - van der Vaart (HSV),de Jong (HSV),Lobont (Fiorentina),Sonck (Monchengladbach)
04/05 - Ibrahimović (Juventus)
03/04 - Chivu (Roma),van der Meyde (Inter),Mido (Marseille)
sve su to odreda odlični igrači (ili su bili tada) i svi su odreda otišli u klasne klubove...naravno,nije to popis ni približno sličan onome iz devedesetih,ali i od tada se dosta toga promijenilo i ne mogu konkurirati klubovima iz liga petica...ali opet,nitko im nije ravan po prodajama iz ovih ostalih liga (možda Porto)...uvijek su imali a uvijek će i imati dobru školu i dobre igrače a s time i dobre rezultate
oni su njih proizveli i na njima zaradili milijune...nisu oni krivi što se npr van der meyde nije snašao,ili što rafa nezna šta će s babelom itd itd...oni su svoj primaran cilj s tim igračima napravili
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Tako što bi se moglo napisat i za Dinamo (Modrić, Čale, Vukojević, Pokrivač, Dudu, Čarli, Kranjčar, Pranjić, Ivan Bošnjak, Ljubojević, Olić, Jerko Leko...), naravno ne u tolikom obimu, ali svejedno, plus jedna stvar, Van Der Vaart, Lobont i ekipa 05/06 su otišli za siću.
Btw. ona ekipa iz sredine 90-ih nije prodana, nego su svi, ili gotovo svi otišli na free contract, nažalost Ajax tada nije pravodobno reagirao na uvođenje Bosmanova pravila i izgubio 90% ekipe, mislim da su samo za braću De Boer uzeli neku kintu, svi ostali su jednostavno otišli nakon što im je istekao ugovor.
I još par stvari koje Ajaxu idu u korist, oni su unutar EU, tako da im igrači nemaju problema s time, a liga im je mnogo, mnogo jača od 1.HNL (Dinamo praktički prodaje igrače samo na temelju europskih nastupa te reprezentacije) te na taj način lakše privlače kvalitetnije europske i južnoameričke talente, te na kraju titula četverostrukih prvaka Europe, svaki igrač će radije doći u takav, povijesno velik klub.
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