polska. 4000 makedonski deca begalci.

sve do jedan na popisa tamo makedonci.

sina jedan od taj begalci posjetio egejska makedonija https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUkZq1SkZGU

jos koliko treba dokazi.

egejaca u madzarska i ceska tooder se podpise ko makedonci. tamo ima samo bar tisuce.

190.000 makedonci pirinska makedonija. popis 1956. pred dolaske todor zhivkov koj im zabranio da se pise ko makedonci u nastavku.

nestotovski nije gotov igrac. treba njega samo malo samodoverba i zdravlje na duze vremena nakon svih povredi.

treba ga vratit u repku.

Realno, Makedonija je teška rupa s 0 perspektive.

Mislim... Ohrid je lijep, priroda lijepa, planine, nac. parkovi... ali recimo sjeverozapad zemlje je zapeo u 1970. godini. 

Bio sam u nekom mjestu gdje žive samo Turci i kupio sam od neke djece kestenja za preostale denare

ima dosta zanimljivi clanaka na oficialna webstran na cia i arkiva

https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp82-00457r014500390006-7

IMRO AND COMINFORM ACTIVITY IN MACEDONIA Document Type: CREST Collection: General CIA Records Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP82-00457R014500390006-7 Release Decision: RIPPUB Original Classification: S Document Page Count: 2 Document Creation Date: December 20, 2016 Document Release Date: March 23, 2006 Sequence Number: 6 Case Number: Publication Date: October 30, 1952 Content Type: REPORT File: Attachment Size PDF icon CIA-RDP82-00457R014500390006-7.pdf 151.53 KB Body: 25X1 MntTB ! 61 [ 82- 57 $, 390006-7 CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE AGENCY SECRET/CONTROL- U. S. OFFICIALS ONLY SECURITY INFORMATION INFORMATION REPORT COUNTRY Yugoslavia SUBJECT IMRO and Cominform Activity in Macedonia DATE OF' INFO. PLACE ACQUIRE! THIS DOCUMENT CONTAINS INFORMATION AFFECTING THE NATIONAL DEFENSE OF THE UNITED STATES, WITHIN THE MEANING OF TITLE 18, SECTIONS 79} AND 79U, OF THE U.S. CODE, AS AMENDED. ITS TRANSMISSION OR REVE- LATION OF ITS CONTENTS TO OR RECEIPT BY AN UNAUTHORIZED PERSON IS PROHIBITED BY LAW. - THE REPRODUCTION OF THIS FORM IS PROHIBITED. CD NO. DATE DISTR. 30 October 1952 NO. OF PAGES 2 NO. OF ENCLS. (LISTED BELOW) SUPPLEMENT TO REPORT NO. THIS IS UNEVALUATED INFORMATION 1.

Since about March 1952, Tito has been toning down the propaganda for a 'Greater Macedonian Republic within a Yugoslav Federation. The recent suspension of the propaganda journal "Voice of the Aegean's is only one sign of this new attitude. The influence of the United States is believed to have a good deal to do with this. Tito has noted American suggestions of the desirability of a rapprochement with Greece, which was impossible so long as it was proposed toinclude much Greek territory in the new Macedonian Republic. 2. The Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO m Vufreshna Makedonska .Revolutsionna Organizatsiya9 VM1) has not, however, given up its old dream of an independent Macedonia. The struggle for this is directed by-the old leaders and organizers Tito is now considered a traitor and a movement against his regime is being organized in Yugoslav Macedonia. 3. In the past individuals whom IMRO regarded as traitors or otherwise undesirable or hostile were assassinated. IMRO, however, has always asserted that it never took this step until after a fair trial (for obvious reasons held with the defendant in absentia), condemnation, and a warning to the proposed victims to change their ways. The problem of ensuring Tito's safety will greatly increase if the skilled IMRO assassins add their efforts to those of others who wish to eliminate him. . 25X1 Approved For Iii ')4. While nothing is known of relations between IMRO and the Cominform, the latter is still working against Tito in Macedonia. Radio Moscow and Radio Sofia continue their special-broadcasts in the Macedonian allanguage,'' a dialect half Bulgar and half Serb. Most Bulgar Yugoslav frontier incidents take place on Macedonian territory .1 The Cominform and IMRO agents in Macedonia have hitherto opposed each other. Now the Cominform is trying to gain IMRO sympathy and may to some extent be succeeding. It is difficult to understand fully just what is now going on in Macedonia under these conditions. Panko Brachnarov, not a Communist, is now in prison. Pavel Chatev, CLASSIFICATION SECRET,OONTROL ? U.S. OFFICIALS ONLY Approved For Release 2006/04/18 : CIA-RDP82-00457RO14500390006-7  Approved I kp6/0 1 7R014500390006-7 -2- well known DHO leader and former associate of Tito, died in prison. Bane Andrejev, one of the best known figures in the Tito regime in Macedonia', has disappeared.2 He is said to have been interned in his own village. Metodi Tchento, former President of the Praesidium of the Macedonian Popular Assembly at Skopije, has been arrested on charges of planning to escape to Greece. He is under house arrest in his own home at Prilep. Bogoje Fotev, second President of the same Praesidium, tried to commit suicide, did not succeed, and is now interned. The third President, Vidoje Smilevski, has been sent to Belgrade. He is a friend of Tito' s. 1. IComments Probably due to the Bulgar practice of placing their guars rig t ors the border while the Yugoslavs station their guards some distance inside the line. Comment; Andrejev was formerly the leading member of the comi ee of the Yugoslav Communist Party in Macedonia, and formerly Minister of Mines and of Hydro Economy. His Party career began in 1926. In 1929 he was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment for adherence to IMRO. In 1945 he accompanied Tito to Moscow. In 1946 he was active in the Yugoslav-Soviet Chamber of Commerce and Vice President of the Yugoslav- Soviet Society for Cultural Collaboration. SECRET/CDXTROL - U.S. OFFICIALS ONLY Approved For Release 2006/04/18 : CIA-RDP82-00457R014500390006-7 Printer-friendly versionPrinter-friendly version

znaci, tito izdao egejska makedonija za da ima dobra relacija odnosi sa usa i taj fasisti koj pobedio u grcka.

not exactly what tito promised cento during second world war ako pomozi da strusi bugari i italjani i njemci.

prvo ga izdao, onda ga pustio na goli otok. 😞

https://teara.govt.nz/en/dalmatians/page-1

Evo jedan dobro objašnjen primjer kako netko tko je u inozemstvu može postat ovo ili ono

Auštrija je bila neprijatelj matici i Novog Zelanda i Kanade u Prvom svjetskom ratu

Zato se nitko nije tija nazvat Auštrijancen, to je bila uvreda, ali i ne baš dobra preporuka za dobar start u novoj zemlji

Kasnije se neki nisu tili nazivat Hrvatima, jerbo su oni bili na strani poraženih... Na čijoj su strani bili Bugari?

Ali

To ne mora biti slučaj i ovdje

Samo jedan primjer kako se građi treba pristupat oprezno, svakoj

Kao onomad da je Bazilije II. iz Makedonije (a on iz Trakije)

Ima li kakvih starih dokumenata, fotografija od tih društavâ, kakav im je bio pečat, amblem, nekakvi simboli? To bi tvrdnji svakako dalo jedan veći legitimitet

Opet, meni je iz tog Drugog svjetskog rata npr. zanimljivo koliki je bio taj sukob Makedonaca i Bugara? Koje su to bitke? Koliko je žrtava bilo u tom sukobu?

aki si bugar koj otisao u kanada ili polska. mozes da postanes samo kanadjanin i poljak nakon asimilaciju.

tesko sa mozes da postanes makedonac ili japonac u drzava koja nije vladana od makedonija ili japonija. ako nisi vec bio makedonac li japonac. pred odlaske.

moguce samo neki primera koj su isklucak od pravilo ali jako rijetko. bikako generalno.

sta znam, mozda tito vozio brodova do kanada i usa i australia. mesec dana na atlantik more taj mesec dana tito ih ucio na brod da su makedonci pa tako bitove i stavro postali makedonci😂

druga teza mozda samo za narkomane.

infrmisan covek nikada nemoze ni biti ispran. citao sam 1000 bugarski proagandi, i ? i laugh every time i read it. more and more.

tako da teza da ako ponavjlas laz 100 puta postane istine. not really. vecona makedonci se dobro informirani. imam rodnjaka u vmro dpmne znam sve. znam zasto bugare rade sta rade znam i koj ih tera.

nazalost tesko je otvoreno pricati za ovo na nacionalna televizija (nemoze mickoski da kaze ovi i oni se nasi neprijatelja, osim kada prica za bugara i grci ali ima i drugi za koj nemoze javno pricati koj organizira cijela propaganda).

ali ono sta se prica po makedonski carsije kros drzava je tacno i drago mene da se informisani.

a i svako normalan covek koj ima iq bar 100 zna da bugari ne postaje makedonci nakon mesec dana na atlantik more pred dolaske tamo. bili su makedonci ipred patuvanje, stara i stari na bitove i stavro. oni ih ucio koj su i sta su. a nekoj sigurno uci i dedo i baba na bitove i stavro.

Ovo je bizaran thread. Od lose formatiranih geopolitickih vijesti, preko diskusije o AI do SHNL momcadi kola.