1. Pedofili i sociopate nisu bolesni ljudi nego su bezobrazna ološ. Još malo pa ćemo i kriminalce i lopove smatrati bolesnim ljudima kako smo krenuli.

2. Pitanje je koji su ratni zločinci i da li su krivi. Možda nisu krivi, a možda će im grijeh otići na unuke ili praunuke. Možda neće ni to, ali će zato na Strašnom sudu biti osuđeni na vječni pakao.

Ako dijete ukrade auto i slupa se, valjda je ono samo sebe kaznilo sa time. Kaznilo je i svoje potomke jer možda neće moći imati djece zbog posledica sudara, ili će ostaviti posledice na mozak pa će njihova djeca imati oštećenja, ili će nekoga udariti autom pa će se taj kasnije osvetiti, ili će živjeti u siromaštvu zbog dugova a to znači loša hrana iz koje proizilazi loše zdravlje itd.

Dijete je krivo a ne roditelji. Roditelji mogu  kasnije samo ublažavati posledice toga što je uradilo( kao što Bog ublažava posledice onoga što su ljudi uradili, čak je i stradao da bi ljudima dao mogućnost spasenja)

Moraš razumjeti da su ljudi problem a ne Bog. Vidi to i raspravi sa svojom vrstom i nemoj Boga okrivljavati zbog postupaka ljudi.

I meni je to bilo vrlo interesantno. To je i razlog sto sam htio knjigu procitati. Pogotovo cinjenica da je Kuran pun krscanskih i zidovskih tragova, a oni hoce dokazati da je Mekka bila izolirana kompletno od tih drugih vjera. Islam je uzeo nesto iz krscanstva, da svako moze postati musliman, a iz judeizma strogo gledanje na bozja pravila koja se ne mijenjaju. Imam jedan dobar tekst koji uvijek postam kad mi muslimani probaju objasniti da bi mi bez njih jeli rukama. Samo im ovo postam. I vise nikad ih ne cujem. Ovo je iz jedne knjige amerikanca sa balkanskim prezimenom. Ne znam vise kako se zove. Tip je sve objasnio znanstveno. Jos jedna stvar o kojoj je on pisao je cinjenica da je bilo vrlo malo knjiga koje su prevedene iz grckog u arapski. Da bi onda iz arapskog bile prevedene na latinski. Ovih primjera je bilo vrlo malo. Manje od deset ako se dobro sijecam. 

Vecina staroga znanja su krscani direktno iz grckog prevodili u latinski. I ja sam mislio da je taj zlatni period islama puno vise napravio sto se tice prevoda iz grckog u arapski pa iz arapskog u latinski. To je bila rijetkost. Procitaj ovaj tekst. Nije bas politicki korektan po nekima. Po meni je sve faktualno napisano.

This "golden" period in question largely coincides with the second dynasty of the Caliphate or Islamic Empire, that of the Abbasids, named after Muhammad’s uncle Abbas, who succeeded the Umayyads and ascended to the Caliphate in 750 AD. They moved the capital city to Baghdad, absorbed much of the Syrian and Persian culture as well as Persian methods of government, and ushered in the "golden age."
This age was marked by, among other things, intellectual achievement. A number of medieval thinkers and scientists living under Islamic rule, by no means all of them "Moslems" either nominally or substantially, played a useful role of transmitting Greek, Hindu, and other pre-Islamic fruits of knowledge to Westerners. They contributed to making Aristotle known in Christian Europe. But in doing this, they were but transmitting what they themselves had received from non-Moslem sources.
Three speculative thinkers, notably the three Persians al-Kindi, al-Farabi, and Avicenna, combined Aristotelianism and Neoplatonism with other ideas introduced through Islam. Greatly influenced by Baghdad’s Greek heritage in philosophy that survived the Arab invasion, and especially the writings of Aristotle, Farabi adopted the view — utterly heretical from a Moslem viewpoint — that reason is superior to revelation. He saw religion as a symbolic rendering of truth, and, like Plato, saw it as the duty of the philosopher to provide guidance to the state. He engaged in rationalistic questioning of the authority of the Koran and rejected predestination. He wrote more than 100 works, notably The Ideas of the Citizens of the Virtuous City. But these unorthodox works no more belong to Islam than Voltaire belongs to Christianity. He was in Moslem culture but not of it, indeed opposed to its orthodox core. He examples the pattern we see again and again: the best Moslems, whether judged by intellectual or political achievement, are usually the least Moslem.
The Moslem mainstream of this time, on the other hand, emphasized rigid Koranic orthodoxy and deployed Greek philosophy and science solely to buttress its authority. "They were rationalists in so far as they fell back on Greek philosophy for their metaphysical and physical explanations of phenomena; still, it was their aim to keep within the limits of orthodox belief." But when the thinkers went too far in their free inquiry into the secrets of nature, paying little attention to the authority of the Koran, they aroused suspicion of the rulers both in North Africa and Spain, as well as in the East. Persecution, exile, and death were frequent punishments suffered by the philosophers of Islam whose writings did not conform to the canon.
On the other side of the Empire, in Spain, Averroës exercised much influence on both Jewish and Christian thinkers with his interpretations of Aristotle. While mostly faithful to Aristotle’s method, he found the Aristotelian "prime mover" in Allah, the universal First Cause. His writings brought him into political disfavor and he was banished until shortly before his death, while many of his works in logic and metaphysics had been consigned to the flames. He left no school.
From Spain the Arabic philosophic literature was translated into Hebrew and Latin, which contributed to the development of modern European philosophy. In Egypt around the same time, Moses Maimonides (a Jew) and Ibn Khaldun made their contribution. A Christian, Constantine "the African," a native of Carthage, translated medical works from Arabic into Latin, thus introducing Greek medicine to the West. His translations of Hippocrates and Galen first gave the West a view of Greek medicine as a whole.
The "golden age" of Islamic art lasted from AD 750 to the mid-11th century, when ceramics, glass, metalwork, textiles, illuminated manuscripts, and woodwork flourished. Lustered glass became the greatest Islamic contribution to ceramics. Manuscript illumination became an important and greatly respected art, and miniature painting flourished in Iran. Calligraphy, an essential aspect of written Arabic, developed in manuscripts and architectural decoration.
In the exact sciences the contribution of Al-Khwarzimi, mathematician and astronomer, was considerable. Like Euclid, he wrote mathematical books that collected and arranged the discoveries of earlier mathematicians. His "Book of Integration and Equation" is a compilation of rules for solving linear and quadratic equations, as well as problems of geometry and proportion. Its translation into Latin in the 12th century provided the link between the great Hindu mathematicians and European scholars. A corruption of the book’s title resulted in the word algebra; a corruption of the author’s own name resulted in the term algorithm.
The problem with turning this list of intellectual achievements into a convincing "Islamic" golden age is that whatever flourished, did so not by reason of Islam but in spite of Islam. Moslems overran societies (Persian, Greek, Egyptian, Byzantine, Syrian, Jewish) that possessed intellectual sophistication in their own right and failed to completely destroy their cultures. To give it the credit for what the remnants of these cultures achieved is like crediting the Red Army for the survival of Chopin in Warsaw in 1970! Islam per se never encouraged science, in the sense of disinterested enquiry, because the only knowledge it accepts is religious knowledge.
As Bernard Lewis explains in his book What Went Wrong? the Moslem Empire inherited "the knowledge and skills of the ancient Middle east, of Greece and of Persia, it added to them new and important innovations from outside, such as the manufacture of paper from China and decimal positional numbering from India." The decimal numbers were thus transmitted to the West, where they are still mistakenly known as "Arabic" numbers, honoring not their inventors but their transmitters.
Furthermore, the intellectual achievements of Islam’s "golden age" were of limited value. There was a lot of speculation and very little application, be it in technology or politics. At the present day, for almost a thousand years even speculation has stopped, and the bounds of what is considered orthodox Islam have frozen, except when they have even contracted, as in the case of Wahabism. Those who try to push the fundamentals of Moslem thought any further into the light of modernity frequently pay for it with their lives. The fundamentalists who ruled Afghanistan until recently and still rule in Iran hold up their supposed golden age as a model for their people and as a justification for their tyranny. Westerners should know better.

Pričaš gluposti. 

Sociopatija je antisocijalni poremećaj ličnosti i uglavnom je uzrok nastanka trauma iz djetinjstva. Moze biti psihičko ili fizicko zlostavljanje od strane roditelja. 

Radi se u većini slučajeva o prouzrokovanom poremećaju, a tebi je to bezobrazna ološ - premda takvu vrstu poremećaja uglavnom steknu, ne svojom krivicom.

Ovo su neke značajke sociopatstva.

emocionalna hladnoća i udaljenost,

impulzivnost i agresivnost,

nedostatak osjećaja krivnje i kajanja,

kršenje moralnih normi,

promjenjivo raspoloženje,

uporno laganje i iskrivljavanje istine,

manipuliranje i zlostavljanje drugih.

I sad će ti ljudi - većina - završiti u paklu, jer ne zive po Bozijem. Iako su većina njih takvi ne svojom krivicom. Apsurdno.

Pedofilija (grč. paidos – dječak + fileo – volim) spolna je nastranost, vrsta seksualne perverzije, sklonost prema djeci istog ili suprotnog spola, oblik spolnog zlostavljanja i nasilja, koje se očituje putem zadovoljavanja pohote i seksualnog nagona odraslih osoba na djeci.

Medicina svrstava ovo oboljenje u parafilije, kategoriju srodnih duševnih poremećaja u grupi poremećaja spolne sklonosti.

Medicina ovo svrstava u dusevni poremećaj. Uzbuđuju ih klinci. 

Kako si uspio ovo povezati s kriminalom? 

Ostatak teksta je suvišno citirati.

Opet pises nebuloze da djeca tesko pate zbog grijeha nekog tamo pra pra pra djeda.

Totalno iskrivljena pravda. Zamisli da na sudu oslobode serijskog ubojicu i kazu, vas slijedecih potomak će odgovarati za vase grijehe u obliku invaliditeta. Meni je to neshvatljivo i neprihvatljivo.

Premda sam vjernik i vjerojatno sam bio na vise hodocasca  nego ti na nedjeljnih misa.

Sombore, opet kriviš Boga zbog postupaka ljudi. Tvojom logikom, onda je Bog kriv i što je Sotona otpao od Boga, a bio mu je jedan od glavnih anđela. Otpao je svojevoljno a Bog ne želi uticati na nečiji izbor.

U svakom postu, za bukvalno sve o čemu smo govorili, ti si našao način da okriviš Boga. Čak i za masovne zločine nađeš opravdanje tako što zločince ili pedofile proglasiš poremećenim i ludim, a onda njihov poremećaj pripišeš Bogu. Pa što tako govoriš, prijatelju moj? Zašto okrivljuješ Boga za nešto što nije ni najmanje kriv, dapače, Bog se trudi pomoći posle zločina tako što podari raj nevinima.

Razmisli malo o ovome.

ekumenist 

Je li pravda kad oslobodis na sudu serijskog ubojicu, a njegovog unuka ni krivog ni dužnog osudis na invaliditet zbog grijeha njegovog djeda?

Ma nije ih Bog osudio i oslobodio nego ih je stigao duh grijeha koji se zalijepio za njih. A Bog će na Strašnom sudu pravedno suditi.

Ne znam kako da ti objasnim ovo sa grijehom jer očito ti nije jasno. Kao kada osoba baci bombu u masu, pa geleri usmrte desetine ljudi okolo dok bombašu koji je bacio bombu ništa se ne dogodi jer je na distanci. Tako je i sa grijehom. Onaj koji proizvede grijeh od njega najčešće ne strada već stradaju drugi. Bog može i to spriječiti ali onda ne bi bilo slobodne volje kod čovjeka, a Bog hoće da ljudi budu sami po sebi dobri, a ne silom da budu dobri , ili se ne želi miješati u tuđi izbor ako je već dao slobodnu volju.

A opet, onima koji nevini stradaju opet će pomoći Bog (iako nisu stradali Njegovom krivicom).

Pa šta više Bog treba uraditi da bi ljudi bili zadovoljni? Sve im je dao, život iz ničega,  sunce, zvijezde, raj, posebne nagrade zbog eventualne patnje( koju On nije uzrokovao), vječnost, slobodnu volju, pretrpio muke zbog ljudi koji su ga raspeli, a nije morao, ustanovio crkvu preko koje se moguće očistiti od grijeha i bržim putem spasiti......pa šta još treba uraditi???

Bog nije uzrokovao patnju djetetu koje se rodi s invaliditetom?

Dijete nije krivo jer se rodilo nepokretno?

Kriv je neki pra pra djed koji je bio los. Jadno dijete stigao duh grijeha od pra pra djeda.

Ovo ne zna nitko smisleno objasniti, nisi ti jedini, ali pošteno da si priznao.

Dostojevski se cijeli život bavio s tim pitanjem.

Ja znam objasniti i vrlo je prosto.

Bog nije uzrokovao patnju tog djeteta. Uzrok invaliditeta djeteta je neki grijeh koji se zalijepio za to dijete. Dijete nije krivo ni najmanje, a pošto je nevino onda će od Boga dobiti najveću nagradu, a Isus je lijepo rekao " Kome je malo dato, malo će mu se i tražiti, a kome je puno dato puno će mu se i tražiti".

Zaključak: Bog nije kriv za patnju djeteta, ali se pojavljuje da ga nagradi zbog te patnje dajući mu sve moguće nagrade i život vječni? Zar to nije veličanstveno od Boga?

Sombore, ti non-stop tražiš nagradu i pravdu u ovom životu zato nisi u stanju prihvatiti objašnjenja. Šta ti znači ovaj kratki život, zar si toliko vezan za ovaj materijalni svijet?