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10. rujna 2007. u 22:17
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Jeste Federer dobio Samprasa 2001, ali razmislite malo na ovaj nacin - Sampras je tad bio broj 1, suvereni vladar Wimbledona, i sad igra protiv nekog klinca koji je do tada osvojio 1 Atp turnir (i to u Milanu). Naravno da se u takav mec ne ulazi kao protiv nekog koga smatras dostojnim protivnikom. Ne bih da podcenjujem Federera (cak sam za njega i navijao neko vreme - dok se nije pojavio Nole) ali taj njihov medjusobni mec ne znaci nista. Ako cemo gledati medjusobne duele velikih igraca, ispada da Federer ni ne moze biti najveci igrac svih vremena jer protiv Nadala ima 5 - 8 (od toga dva poraza na betonu i vrlo verovatno da ce uskoro pasti i na travi). 
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Po toj logici Sampras ne bi ni osvojio više od tri slama jer bi kad postane prvi igrač svijeta u prvom kolu sljedećeg slama izgubio. Naravno, jer mu protivnik nije "dostojan".
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10. rujna 2007. u 22:34
Federer protiv Samprasa??
 
Stvarno?
 
Pa mene to podsjeća na utrke Jesse Owensa protiv trkaćih konja ili lokomotive...ili povratak Borga protiv Jordi Aressea u Monte Carlu.
 
Nema smisla,to je cirkus a ne sport...što to treba Samprasu?Nije da mu fali para a svjestan je da mu tijelo nije na 70% kapaciteta iz najboljih godina. 
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11. rujna 2007. u 11:43
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Federer protiv Samprasa??
 
Stvarno?
 
Pa mene to podsjeća na utrke Jesse Owensa protiv trkaćih konja ili lokomotive...ili povratak Borga protiv Jordi Aressea u Monte Carlu.
 
Nema smisla,to je cirkus a ne sport...što to treba Samprasu?Nije da mu fali para a svjestan je da mu tijelo nije na 70% kapaciteta iz najboljih godina. 
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Para nikad dosta, posebno ako ih se dobije bezobrazno mnogo za kratko vrijeme...
 
Federer u godini u kojoj "ne dominira" uspijeva osvojiti AU open bez izgubljenog seta, prekinuti najduzu seriju na zemlji u povijesti, ponovno uci u finale RG gdje gubi od vjerojatno najjaceg igraca na toj podlozi ikad, po ko zna koji put uzastopce osvojiti Wimbledon i US open gdje pobjedjuje petog, cetvrtog i treceg na svijetu sve sa po 3:0.
 
Ne sjecam se dominacije Lavera i starijih, ali ovako nesto u posljednjih 20 godina nije bilo, a to je sve u sezoni gdje Federer "ne dominira".
 
@Iduci ovo tvoje "zamislite da ga Sampras pobjedi" je isto kao i tvoje zamislite da ga pobjedi Ljubo, Karlo, Mario, Marin... Wink
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11. rujna 2007. u 12:05
Baš bi voljela vidjeti taj meč jer Samprasa nisam nikad vidjela kako igra.
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11. rujna 2007. u 14:01

Sampras: "Federer će me nadmašiti"

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Svojevremeno najbolji teniser sveta i apsolutni rekorder po broju osvojenih turnira Amerikanac Pit Sampras uveren je da će ga Švajcarac Rodžer Federer uskoro nadmašiti u broju osvojenih Grend slem titula. Federer je u nedelju u Njujorku osvojio 12. Gren slem turnir, dok je Sampras, koji je karijeru završio 2002. godine i dalje rekorder sa 14 trofeja na najvećim svetskim turnirima.

Najbolji svetski teniser devedesetih, sedam puta je pobeđivao u Vimbldonu, pet na US Openu i dva puta u Australiji. Zajedničko sa Federerom mu je, što ni jedan ni drugi nikada nisu bili najbolji na Rolan Garosu.

Federer je, međutim, dva puta igrao u finalu Otvorenog prvenstva Francuske, dok je Samprasu najveći domet u Parizu bio plasman u polufinale 1996. godine.

Komentarišući rezultate Federera posle trijumfa Švajcarca na US Openu, na kojem je Sampras završio karijeru 2002, takođe trijumfom, američki as je rekao:

"Kada sam otišao u penziju mislio sam da će moj rekord teško biti oboren. Ali, ako nekom to pođe za rukom, voleo bih da to bude Federer. On je sjajan momak i veliki, ali skroman, šampion".

"Naravno da bih voleo da moj rekord ostane za sva vremena, ali rekordi postoje zato da bi se rušili, a Federer, kako je krenuo, mogao bi osvojiti i 17 ili 18 Gren slem titula. Neću biti razočaran zbog toga jer Federerovi dosadašnji rezultati su za svaki respekt", istakao je Sampras koji je poslednji veliki turnir osvojio kada je imao 31 godinu, a Švajcarcu je danas tek 26.

Samparas i Federer sastali su se samo jednom. Bilo je to u osmini finala Vimbldona 2001. a posle pet setova uspešnio je bio Federer.

"Već tada sam video da je izuzetno talentovan. Bio je bolji nego ja u tim godinama. Shvatio sam odmah da ako neko obori moj rekord, to će biti on", zaključio je Sampras koji je u bogatoj karijeri odigrao 88 finala i pobedio u 64!

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11. rujna 2007. u 14:20
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Jeste Federer dobio Samprasa 2001, ali razmislite malo na ovaj nacin - Sampras je tad bio broj 1, suvereni vladar Wimbledona, i sad igra protiv nekog klinca koji je do tada osvojio 1 Atp turnir (i to u Milanu). Naravno da se u takav mec ne ulazi kao protiv nekog koga smatras dostojnim protivnikom. Ne bih da podcenjujem Federera (cak sam za njega i navijao neko vreme - dok se nije pojavio Nole) ali taj njihov medjusobni mec ne znaci nista. Ako cemo gledati medjusobne duele velikih igraca, ispada da Federer ni ne moze biti najveci igrac svih vremena jer protiv Nadala ima 5 - 8 (od toga dva poraza na betonu i vrlo verovatno da ce uskoro pasti i na travi). 
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Po toj logici Sampras ne bi ni osvojio više od tri slama jer bi kad postane prvi igrač svijeta u prvom kolu sljedećeg slama izgubio. Naravno, jer mu protivnik nije "dostojan".
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Uh, al' ti je logika. Pa naravno da nisam mislio da može da izgubi od svakog šalabajzerića kojeg podceni. Jednostavno, reč je o tome da u tom trenutku nije bio svestan koliko je Federer dobar. Da je Roger bio, recimo u  top 5, ili da su odigrali još koji meč nakon toga, sigurno je da bi Sampras drukčije pristupio tom meču (znao bi šta može da očekuje). Zato smatram da taj meč ne znači mnogo u njihovoj usporedbi.
Pa i prvi put kad su igrali Roger i Rafa, Nadal je ladno dobio na betonu 6-3 6-3. Sad, da se kojim slučajem Federer penzionisao posle toga, a Nadal dominirao na šljaci i  travi, osvajo poneku titulu na betonu, kako bi njih upoređivali? 
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11. rujna 2007. u 14:29
Federer je bio 15. igrač svijeta kad su igrali međusobno, znači i nije baš točno to o podcijenjivanju. Mogao je ga možda podcijeniti da je bio 70., ali 15. već teško. Uostalom, Sampras nikad ne bi osvojio tih 14 GS-ova da je tako razmišljao.
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11. rujna 2007. u 15:02
Federer vise ni ne zna kako igra Sampras - sve sto mu je ostalo u sjecanju je ogromni isplazeni jezik s druge strane mreze... 
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11. rujna 2007. u 15:18
Ipak, činjenica je da je od Wimbledona 2000, Sampras bio u velikom padu (što zbog povrede, što zbog godine proizvodnje), tako da ništa nije osvojio do US Opena 2002, a gubio je čak i od nekih anonimusa (George Bastl, Wimbldon 2002)
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11. rujna 2007. u 20:38
Sampras gets testy in Tiburon exhibition match

He's not kidding.There may be some premature baldness developing on the top of his head and the timing in his tennis game is off right now, but make no mistake that Pete Sampras, at age 36, still loves to win more than the next guy.

Chair umpire Larry McMullen ought to know.

Although Sampras was playing a fun and relaxed exhibition match Sunday during the Alumni Legends Cup in Tiburon, the retired 14-time Grand Slam singles champion became annoyed when, in the seventh game of the first set, his opponent - talented 19-year-old Sam Querrey - hit a backhand down the line that a linesman ruled in. Sampras thought the shot was closer to Mill Valley than in and asked McMullen to overrule.

He didn't.

"Are you embarrassed? You should be embarrassed,"

PISTOL PETE: PEte Sampras flashes a smile as he serves against Sam Querrey in their exhibition match Sunday at the Tiburon Peninsula Club.

said Sampras, turning serious. Then Pistol Pete walked to the sideline below the umpire's chair to towel off and let off some steam.

"I don't get pissed off much, but that pissed me off," Sampras snapped at McMullen.

So there you have it. Sampras came to Tiburon to get tested and he got testy instead.

"No respect out there," Sampras joked later.

While Sampras' next opponent, Roger Federer, took the stage at Arthur Ashe Court in the U.S. Open dressed in black Sunday

Sampras appeared in a white shirt and white Dusty Baker-sized wristbands on the stadium court at the Tiburon Peninsula Club in front of a crowd that was closer to 1,000 than the 2,000 the facility holds.

That's a shame. The Oakland Raiders, arguably the worst team in professional football, manage to attract a sellout crowd on Sundays while Sampras, arguably the greatest tennis player ever, couldn't fill the place in a tennis-mad area.

Well, they missed quite an exhibition. After that controversial call, Sampras fought off nine set points to win that game. He eventually lost the first set 6-4, but he won the next set 7-6 by winning the tiebreaker 7-2. But, in the decisive 10-point match tiebreaker, the 6-foot-6 Querrey prevailed 10-6.

"That's fun for me because there's no greater challenge for me to go out and play someone who's half my age," Sampras said. "He's (ranked) 48th in the world he's just going to get better and better. To play at that level is a big challenge for me to keep up."

In all fairness, Querrey has beaten several players in the top 25 this year (James Blake, Tommy Haas, Mikhail Youzny and Juan Monaco) and Sampras hasn't been playing or practicing regularly since he retired from competitive tennis in 2005. He's been busy golfing while raising two boys with his wife, actress Bridgette Wilson. He's not in his best tennis shape.

"I'm like an old beat-up truck," Sampras quipped.

If so, the exterior may be a tad rusty and the tires may have less tread, but the motor still has some get up and go. Sampras' serve has some sting left and his forehand still has some zip. After his exhibition singles match, he teamed with TPC pro Brandon Coupe, who recently was named assistant coach at Stanford, in a doubles match against Querrey and 24-year-old Pablo Pires de Almeida of Fairfax. Sampras and Coupe won 12-10, 10-3 in a pair of tiebreakers.

OK, so Sampras wasn't exactly Wimbledon-ready. He grunted to get to some balls and he popped up one service return that landed beyond the grandstand in a clump of trees. Consider it his mulligan for the day.

"I kind of surprise myself every now and again," Sampras said. "At the same time, I see myself missing (shots) a little more, like today. It's like I'm old now."

Old enough, albeit, to take on the undisputed king of the court, the 26-year-old Federer, the man who is two Grand Slam titles from tying Sampras' record. They will play a series of three exhibition matches five days apart, beginning on Nov. 20 in Seoul, South Korea. They're talking about doing some exhibitions in the U.S, too, after they earn what Sampras said was some "Christmas money" playing each other in Asia.

"I don't know what to expect," Sampras said. "I think initially the first couple of games I'll be like a caged lion, trying to hold my own a little bit. But I practiced with him (at Sampras' house in L.A. for two days earlier this year) and I held my own É I hope to be competitive. I don't want to embarrass myself. I want to go out and play well."

Evidently, Sampras played well enough against his opponent Sunday that Querry is ready to bet his Christmas bonus that Federer will have his hands full.

"I'd be surprised if Pete didn't take him out," said Querrey, who was living in Santa Rosa when Sampras beat Boris Becker in 1995 to win Wimbledon then beat Andre Agassi in the U.S. Open finals the same year.

That, of course, assumes that Sampras is going to start training hard and playing more than two or three times a week against some college kids.

"Mentally I'm fine," Sampras said. "Physically I'm actually OK, but tennis-wise I'm just not as sharp."

That's the main reason Sampras came to play in Tiburon, where the first Alumni Legends Cup was won by Stanford, which defeated UCLA 6-1 in the finals. Competing against Querrey in a competitive environment was a test for Sampras to gauge where he stands for the "true test" when he plays Federer.

How did Sampras grade himself Sunday?

"Seven and half," he said on a scale of 1-to-10. "If you balanced it out, the linesmen were about a two."




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