to moraš sam procjeniti, znaš da nema prednosti u kaznenom prostoru, npr. ja bi priznao zgoditak i da mu žutaka

Pa mislim da je jednostavno, aco - a to su i potvrdili na ovom mom zadnjem seminaru.  Ako je gol postignut, to znači da nije spriječen, pa se ne može ni isključiti igrača zbog sprečavanja, kad se isto nije dogodilo, jel.
Naravno, ako je prekršaj koji je napravio sam po sebi za crveni karton (a ruka sama po sebi nikad nije za crveni karton, izuzev situacije o sprečavanju gola), onda naravno možeš i isključiti igrača.

faky, odakle ti ta pravila?  Pretpostavljam s nekog bosanskog sajta (ijekavica i vazduh, npr).

Evo što točno piše u FIFA-inom originalu na engleskom:


A throw-in is a method of restarting play.
A throw-in is awarded to the opponents of the player who last touched the ball when the whole of the ball crosses the touch line, either on the ground or in the air.
A goal cannot be scored directly from a throw-in.

Procedure
At the moment of delivering the ball, the thrower:
• faces the field of play
• has part of each foot either on the touch line or on the ground outside the touch line
• holds the ball with both hands
• delivers the ball from behind and over his head
• delivers the ball from the point where it left the field of play
All opponents must stand no less than 2 m (2 yds) from the point at which the
throw-in is taken.
The ball is in play when it enters the field of play.
After delivering the ball, the thrower must not touch the ball again until it has touched another player.

Infringements and Sanctions
Throw-in taken by a player other than the goalkeeper
If, after the ball is in play, the thrower touches the ball again (except with his hands) before it has touched another player:
• an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick)

If, after the ball is in play, the thrower deliberately handles the ball before it has touched another player:
• a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick)
• a penalty kick is awarded if the infringement occurred inside the thrower’s penalty area

Throw-in taken by the goalkeeper
If, after the ball is in play, the goalkeeper touches the ball again (except with his hands), before it has touched another player:
• an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick)
If, after the ball is in play, the goalkeeper deliberately handles the ball before it has touched another player:
• a direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if the infringement occurred outside the goalkeeper’s penalty area, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick)
• an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if the infringement occurred inside the goalkeeper’s penalty area, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick)

If an opponent unfairly distracts or impedes the thrower:
• he is cautioned for unsporting behaviour

For any other infringement of this Law:
• the throw-in is taken by a player of the opposing team


To je to, cijeli Zakon 15 o ubacivanju.  Nema spomena tog jednog m iza crte...

Dalje u knjizi, u detaljnim objašnjenima i uputama za suce, piše samo ovo:

Procedures – Infringements

Referees are reminded that opponents may be no closer than 2 m from the point at which the throw-in is taken. Where necessary, the referee must warn any player within this distance before the throw-in is taken and caution the player if he subsequently fails to retreat to the correct distance. Play is restarted with a throw-in.

If a player, while correctly taking a throw-in, intentionally throws the ball at an opponent in order to play the ball again but neither in a careless nor a reckless manner nor using excessive force, the referee must allow play to continue.

If the ball enters the opponents’ goal directly from a throw-in, the referee must award a goal kick. If the ball enters the thrower’s own goal directly from a throw-in, the referee must award a corner kick.

If the ball touches the ground before entering the fi eld of play, the throw-in is retaken by the same team from the same position provided that it was taken in line with the correct procedure. If the throw-in is not taken in line with the correct procedure, it is retaken by the opposing team.


Opet nigdje tog metra....

negdje sa interneta jer sam to tražio na poslu, sad gledam u svoju knjigu doma samo se spominje ova 2 m za suparničke igrače da moraju biti uadaljeni od mjesta gdje se obavlja ubacivanje. nigdje ne stoji kolko igrač koji ubacuje smije biti udaljen (mislim unazad) od - iza uzdužne linije.
a za engleski sam čista nula

treba iskoristiti ono sto nam je dato!!!!
posto je smernica za prednost 3 sekunde,U OBA SLUCAJA TREBA SACEKATI(u drugom je teze sacekati nego svirati odmah kazneni) i videti sta ce biti...opomene igracu u oba slucaja...
MADA,KADA NPR.IGRAC ZAOBIDJE GOLMANA,OVAJ GA SRUSI,LOPTA ZATIM(NEPOSREDNO NAKON TOGA)DODJE DO NJEGOVOG SAIGRACA KOJI PROMASI PRAZNA VRTA-SUDIJA SVIRA KAZNENI UDARAC(u onih 3-4 sek.) i ISKLUCUJE GOLMANA!!!

PRAVILO KAZE DA SE ZA OZBILJAN PREKRSAJ NE BI TREBALO PUSTATI PREDNOST,IZUZEV AKO SUDIJA NIJE SIGURAN DA SE NASTAVKOM AKCIJE POGODAK SIGURNO POSTIZE...ISTO VAZI I ZA PREKRSAJ U KAZNENOM PREOSTORU...
ovde u prvom slucaju-igrac treba biti iskljucen u prvom prekidu(zbog ozbiljnog prekrsaja-STA GOD DA SE DESI),a u drugom ili zbog toga ili UKOLIKO SE NAPADACA KRETAO KA VRATIMA I BIO U IZGLEDNOJ SANSI A IZ PREDNOSTI POGODAK NIJE POSTIGNUT...

acooooo
navedeni slucaj gore...
nema pravila o nepustanju prednosti u kaznenom prostoru..jest nepisano pravilo jer tako sudac spere svoju odgovornost..al NEMA tog pravila...
drugo...ovaj opisani slucaj..ti bi pogrijesio..zasto??
prvo pustio si prednost radi jednog prekrsaja...lopta dolazi do ugraca koji nije pod prekrsajem i onda NE MOZES vratiti prednost, na prosli prekrsaj..prosla baba s kolacima...
dakle, nitko nije kriv sto je taj igrac promasio PRAZNA vrata, nego on sam i sad bi ga jos ti nagradio s penalom i crvenim???
po mom misljenju...igrac je promasio..gol aut...golman nije sprijecio gol sansu..jer je ovaj imao prazna vrata i dao bi mu zuti...
a gdje ces vecu prednost od praznih vrata...
kad smo vec kod toga..danas sam na EUROSPORTU gledao meceve finala lige prvaka unazad 10 godina...i jedan detalj mi je privukao paznju..
finale barca-arsenal... kod rezultata 0-0...golman rusi Ettoa u gol sansi na vrh 16 m..medjutim lopta dolazi do njegova suigraca koji postize zgoditak...
sudac je bio prekinuo akciju sek prije...iskljucuje golmana..iz tog slobodnog udarca ronaldihno ne daje gol..
po mom misljenju veeeelika greska...
misljenja sam da je u jednoj takvoj utakmici vodstvo od 1-0...puno veca prednost od viska jednog igraca

Slažem se s galebom oko prvog opisanog slučaja.  Prednost je ostvarena, materijalizirana što bi se reklo, kad je lopta došla do suigrača u mrtvoj šansi.  Prije mjesec dana na seminaru nam je naglašeno da ako igrač kojem je puštena prednost promaši čisti šut, da to znači da je prednost ostvarena, i više mu se ne može vratiti faul, bez obzira bilo to za 0.5 ili 5 sekundi.  Dakle, nikako vraćati faul, i nikako isključivati golmana jer nije golman spriječio očiglednu gol šansu - ona se ostvarila.  Ovo što si ti napisao bi bila ogromanjska greška!

(Obrati pažnju na formulaciju pravila - kod prekršaja gdje nije u pitanje igranje rukom, isključenje je zbog sprečavanja očigledne gol ŠANSE, a ne zbog sprečavanja samog gola.  Samo u slučaju igranja rukom se crveni dobiva zbog sprečavanja zgoditka, tj. kad igrač obrani rukom loptu koja ide u gol.)


Galebe, to je bilo ono s Lehmannom, zar ne?  Imao sam seminar nedugo poslije te utakmice, i predavači, njih dvojica, su obojica rekli isto što i ti, da je sudac pogriješio i da je trebao ostaviti Lehmanna u igri i priznati gol.

aco napiso si u onih 3-4 sec. kolko ja znamu unih 2-3 sec. nigdje se ne spominje 3-4.
-  kada bi pustio takvu prednost, a ovaj igrač fulao gol, suca bi naganjali ne tog igrača