Rusko - ukrajinski rat

madmax17
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24. studenog 2025. u 09:26
BRUSSELS, Nov 23 (Reuters) - Below is the text of a European counter-proposal to the United States' draft 28-point Ukraine peace plan, seen by Reuters on Sunday.
The counter-proposal, drafted by Europe's E3 powers of Britain, France and Germany, takes the U.S. plan as its basis but then goes through it point by point with suggested changes and deletions.
The text is as follows:
1. Ukraine's sovereignty to be reconfirmed.
2. There will be a total and complete non-aggression agreement reached between Russia and Ukraine and NATO. All ambiguities from the last 30 years will be resolved.
(Point 3 of U.S. plan is deleted. A draft of that plan seen by Reuters said: "There will be the expectation that Russia will not invade its neighbours and NATO will not expand further.")
4. After a peace agreement is signed, a dialogue between Russia and NATO will convene to address all security concerns and create a de-escalatory environment to ensure global security and increase the opportunity for connectivity and future economic opportunity.
5. Ukraine will receive robust Security Guarantees
6. Size of Ukraine military to be capped at 800,000 in peacetime.
7. Ukraine joining NATO depends on consensus of NATO members, which does not exist.
8. NATO agrees not to permanently station troops under its command in Ukraine in peacetime.
9. NATO fighter jets will be stationed in Poland
10. US guarantee that mirrors Article 5
a. US to receive compensation for the guarantee
b. If Ukraine invades Russia, it forfeits the guarantee
c. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a robust coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be restored and any kind of recognition for the new territory and all other benefits from this agreement will be withdrawn.
11. Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will get short-term preferred market access to Europe while this is being evaluated
12. Robust Global Redevelopment Package for Ukraine including but not limited to:
a. Creation of Ukraine Development fund to invest in high growth industries including technology, data centres and Al efforts
b. The United States will partner with Ukraine to jointly restore, grow, modernize and operate Ukraine's gas infrastructure, which includes its pipeline and storage facilities
c. A joint effort to redevelop areas impacted by the war to restore, redevelop and modernize cities and residential areas
d. Infrastructure development
e. Mineral and natural resource extraction
f. A special financing package will be developed by the World Bank to provide financing to accelerate these efforts.
13. Russia to be progressively re-integrated into the global economy
a. Sanction relief will be discussed and agreed upon in phases and on a case-by-case basis.
b. The United States will enter into a long-term Economic Cooperation Agreement to pursue mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, AI, datacenters, rare earths, joint projects in the Arctic, as well as various other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities.
c. Russia to be invited back into the G8
14. Ukraine will be fully reconstructed and compensated financially, including through Russian sovereign assets that will remain frozen until Russia compensates damage to Ukraine.
15. A joint Security taskforce will be established with the participation of US, Ukraine, Russia and the Europeans to promote and enforce all of the provisions of this agreement
16. Russia will legislatively enshrine a non-aggression policy towards Europe and Ukraine
17. The United States and Russia agree to extend nuclear non-proliferation and control treaties, including Fair Start
18. Ukraine agrees to remain a non-nuclear state under the NPT
19. The Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant will be restarted under supervision of the IAEA, and the produced power shall be shared equitably in a 50-50 split between Russia and Ukraine.
20. Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities.
21. Territories
Ukraine commits not to recover its occupied sovereign territory through military means. Negotiations on territorial swaps will start from the Line of Contact.
22. Once future territorial arrangements have been agreed, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply if there is a breach of this obligation
23. Russia shall not obstruct Ukraine's use of the Dnieper River for purposes of commercial activities, and agreements will be reached for grain shipments to move freely through the Black Sea
24. A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve open issues:
a. All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on the principle of All for All
b. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children
c. There will be a family reunification program
d. Provisions will be made to address the suffering of victims from the conflict
25. Ukraine will hold elections as soon as possible after the signing of the peace agreement.
26. Provision will be made to address the suffering of victims of the conflict.
27. This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by a Board of Peace, chaired by President Donald J. Trump. There will be
penalties for violation.
28. Upon all sides agreeing to this memorandum, a ceasefire will be immediately effective upon both parties withdrawing to the agreed upon points for the implementation of the agreement to begin. Ceasefire modalities, including monitoring, will be agreed by both parties under US supervision.
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24. studenog 2025. u 09:49

a šta je s rusima? 

ko ovod pregovara? Europa u ime Ukrajine? SAD u ime Rusije?

 

madmax17
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24. studenog 2025. u 09:57

Nezna se više ko koga 

 

Rusi pišu 'mirovni' plan za mutave Magaovce 😂

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Osmijeh Darija Dabca
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24. studenog 2025. u 10:11

madmax17 je napisao/la:

Nezna se više ko koga 

 

Rusi pišu 'mirovni' plan za mutave Magaovce 😂

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Nije baš ni da Europa pršti inteligencijom. U cijelom ovom 4D šahu, jedino je uloga Ukrajine jasna - beje je kako 'ko stigne. 

madmax17
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24. studenog 2025. u 13:45

 

Finska zaključava granicu 😅 nema šale, 'mreža' ispod zemlje, senzori, kamere..

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24. studenog 2025. u 18:43

Russia Claims North Korean Forces Have Reached the Frontline in Ukraine for the First Time


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Russian pro-war bloggers are claiming that soldiers from North Korea have allegedly arrived in Ukraine’s Zaporizhzhia region and may be preparing to fight near the town of Huliaypole on November 23. None of these claims has been independently verified.

According to a Russian Telegram channel, a contingent described as “representatives of friendly DPRK forces” reportedly reached the frontline after completing, they claim, a two-month training program on Russian training grounds.

Head of Ukraine’s Center for Countering Disinformation, Andrii Kovalenko, reported that as of 9 a.m. on November 24, no North Korean troops were spotted in the Zaporizhzhia region.

“After two months of training, representatives of friendly North Korea have arrived at the front. Guess the direction. It’s a field, and you can ‘walk’ there,” a Russian military blogger wrote.

This refers to a Ukrainian town, Huliaypole, which directly translates as a “walk-about field.”

 

Opet Koreanci.

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25. studenog 2025. u 10:15

zanimljivo, ukrajinski vojnici su u pokrovsku jos i to dosta duboko prema zapadu...

Mi gradimo prugu, pruga gradi nas!
pasha77
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25. studenog 2025. u 10:28

nik je napisao/la:

zanimljivo, ukrajinski vojnici su u pokrovsku jos i to dosta duboko prema zapadu...

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Odakle te informacije? 

Po Suriyaku, Pokrovsk je skroz okupiran, a iz Mirnograda se više ne može izaći. 

https://t.me/Suriyak_maps/8069 

Ubacivanja novih jedinica u ovo područje su po meni samoubilačke misije.

Jučer je izašla snimka groblja vozila. Nije mi jasno da li su ta vozila probala nekako izaći iz Mirnograda ili su probali dovući pojačanja?

Ne razumijem zašto se Ukrajinci nisu povukli? Rusi ih nakon dronovskih izviđanja poklapaju sa Fab-3000. 

 

https://x.com/SU_57R/status/1992070471417053332

 

https://x.com/GabeZZOZZ/status/1990817138626433094?s=20 

Mogu misliti kakav je moral tim ljudima, ne mogu izaći, a poklapa ih se sa ovim bombetinama.

 

[uredio pasha77 - 25. studenog 2025. u 10:29]
Skopje
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25. studenog 2025. u 10:53

Ponovit cu po 100 put, okanite se coravog posla mapiranja situacije kod Pokrovska. Jucer/prekjucer Skala je napravila protunapad, ocistili su zeljeznicku postaju i otisli duboko u samom centru grada. Postoje geolocirani snimci koje to podupiru. Sve je to siva zona.

Najnovije lokacije gdje su Ukrajinci lociranu ukljucuju: 48.280523, 37.177312 i 48.28308, 37.17802. Isto tako imamo i video lokacije kako ukrajinski vojnici ulaze u gradu sa sjeverozapadne strane kod 48.293886, 37.126181

Cisto sumnjam da tamo i dalje drze pozicije. Vise je ovo neki raid. Nasli rupu, ostvarili dominaciju dronovima i ocistili neki prostor. Dali predah ili prostora za izlazak svojima koji su dublje. Tako i ove lokacije Rusa koji tvrde da je obruc zatvoren. 

 

[uredio Skopje - 25. studenog 2025. u 10:55]
Ne zelim da se hvalim sam sebe nie moj stil, ali ipak. Ja sam jedan od najveci rukomet expert/analiticar u atmosveri. Pratim 15 evropski ligi a 5 pratim detaljirano. ---- by Bastion. (Stefan84)
Hysen Memolla
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25. studenog 2025. u 11:11

Rijetko kada se slazem sa Skopjom na ovoj temi, ali dobro vam govori, Pokrovsk, Myrnohrad i Rodynske su teski kaos ne zna se ko pije ko placa, malo su Rusi geolocirani na sjeveru Pokrovska, pa su onda Ukrajinci geolocirani u centru dosta zbunjujuca situacija generalno, Rusi govore da su Ukrajinci okruzeni u tom smjeru Ukrajinci govore da nisu ni blizu okruzenja

Inace vec ako ocete pratit ove mappere, Suriyak je meni ok, ali cesto mapira Ruske napretke dosta ranije nego sta jesu, DeepState je dosta spor generalno sta se tice Ruskih napredaka jer je naravno Pro Ukrajinski

Meni su Ukraine Control Map  i geolocator daleko najbolji za svaki napredak ili sivu zonu objave slike i videa geolokacije, primjerice Suriyak i AMK vec su mapirali da su Rusi usli u huliapole iako ne postoji ni 1 video ni dokaz toga, s druge strane deepstate drzi Yampil i Orestopil u sivim zonama iako su Rusi digli 9-10 zastava u tim naseljima

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